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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 08:44 am
   
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For many years ETA has sold movement parts and is a major player in the industry world wide, partially for that reason.  I wonder how much of these clone movements are genuine ETA and how much is not.  That would be interesting.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 11:05 am
   
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Excellent info and sad to say not surprising. This problem is far more widespread than watches. In a wrist watch you just get ripped off and buy a watch that doesn't work as it should, not a critical failure. This happens in everything from simple industrial and consumer machines to jet engines. It starts when the originator company in order to maximize profit and reduce costs either opens a factory or contracts for equipment at factories in countries with poor IP protection. within a couple of years counterfeit parts float around the world markets and other companies see these as an opportunity to reduce costs. These folks are not stupid and they must know that when the rest of the world is paying $75.00 for a part and they get offers to sell for $35.00 that something is up.  they just look the other way. Its why we have melamine in pet food and baby formula.  Greedy unethical business people.  I don't blame the Chinese necessesarily. Yes their business practices leave something to be desired but the western companies that buy and contract there have an obligation to establish proper and detailed specs that should catch counterfeiting among other things. The lack of proper oversight is just another way to maximize profits because the risk of being caught and a problem turning up has been deemed acceptable vs cost of doing the right thing.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 07:43 pm
   
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Great info. Alarming to note some of these movements may already be circulating in cases throughout the WIS world. I'm not sure this is what ETA was after after modifying their distribution...:shock:

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 07:46 pm
   
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I have received some e-mails since posting this with more info and it seems eta is not the only one being replicated....makes sense that the Selitta SW200 is being replicated as well and even harder to distinguish from the real thing since it is a clone itself....just a sad tetament to what is happening to unsuspecting WIS mistake.gif

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 09:15 pm
   
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Yes very sad and as the clone artist get better at their trade it will become harder yet to tell the differnence. Looking at the pics I was amazed just how well done the clones are looking now. :shock:

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 03:35 am
   
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THanks oscar for the effort. But seriously, there r so many clones/reps out there, even if cross examined one with all the info and paper, i wont be able to tell 100%. i think i will stick to the golden rule 'buy the seller not the watch. ' cool10.gifcool10.gif

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 10:12 pm
   
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It has come to my attention along with some threatening pm's from the owner of Prometheus Watch that 3T is being threatened with a lawsuit...a class action suit as a matter of fact? Neither 3T nor any member has accused nor insinuated Prometheus Watch of anything whatsoever as depicted in this thread that also appears on every major watch forum on the web!So someone please tell me what I am missing? :?

    3T has always been a positive watch forum and has always promoted and allowed links to other forums and watch sites as long as they were approved by an admin...which is nearly everyone of them and in a positive light.It is very hurtful to be threatened by an unknown person and watch company for no reason and as I explained to Carlos owner of Prometheus watch that all he needed to do is politely ask that his forum link be removed,instead he threatens me and continues to do so?

 Carlos apparently knows me as he came to me months ago before joining WUS with a forum looking for space on 3T,so it is hard for me to understand why he would threaten 3T publicly on WUS and Ernie allow it along with links which we all know Ernie never allows links to 3T?...but it seems OK if they are negative in content filled with false accusations and inuendos? :(



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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 10:41 pm
   
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Balderdash!! No watch producer was mentioned. Does someone have a guilty conscience? Seems ridiculous! mistake.gif

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 10:45 pm
   
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well it didn't take long for all links and mention of 3T to be removed from the thread at WUS ...but I did copy the exact post with all mention and false accusations against 3T in place along with pics of the original post...

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 10:47 pm
   
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Decision to delete links to this post was solely made by my decision and nobody else and I do not withdraw anything of what I said. There was innuendo on source of Prometheus movements and I clarified it.
There is nothing to gain from both sides on escalating this issue.
However I have to state I am the victim here and I am fully aware this post will get deleted.

Last edited on Sun Dec 28th, 2008 10:52 pm by sapcmc

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 11:17 pm
   
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sapcmc wrote: Decision to delete links to this post was solely made by my decision and nobody else and I do not withdraw anything of what I said. There was innuendo on source of Prometheus movements and I clarified it.
There is nothing to gain from both sides on escalating this issue.
However I have to state I am the victim here and I am fully aware this post will get deleted.


Why would anyone delete this post?  You made some false assumptions and publicly blamed people before considering the consequences.  Your decision to delete the links to the post was, perhaps, honorable, but your statement that you do not withdraw anything you said is not.  The mere fact that you accused us of a falsehood is libelous...nobody named you.

You are welcome to post here anytime, as long as you act like a gentleman!  You, of course, are entitled to do anything you want...but please consider the consequences.  This is one of the most respected watch forums in the market.  We do not make accusations, and we do not have the usual "flames" so typical of other forums; we publish information.  We happen to be a rather powerful influence in the industry, and do not take kindly to those who would unreasonably and deliberately tarnish that reputation.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 11:33 pm
   
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It seems to me, he protests too much....hmmmmmmmmmm!? mistake.gif

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