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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 12:45 am
   
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YIKES!!!  Saw this thread yesterday and said to myself "self...this is great info, let's bookmark it". 

Log in tonight after driving back from NC and WOW what the hell happened!!!

Made perfect sense what was originally posted by Oscar.

I'm with Ken...why is this guy even bringing it up...all it did was bring attention to himself, and why make such a big deal of NOTHING....

I'm confused  crap.gif

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 01:55 am
   
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Nabco wrote:
YIKES!!!  Saw this thread yesterday and said to myself "self...this is great info, let's bookmark it". 

Log in tonight after driving back from NC and WOW what the hell happened!!!

Made perfect sense what was originally posted by Oscar.

I'm with Ken...why is this guy even bringing it up...all it did was bring attention to himself, and why make such a big deal of NOTHING....

I'm confused  crap.gif


Trying to understand irrational behavior will simply give you a headache, and since I'm sure to have one come January 1st... I'll decline my normal inclination to attempt to figure-out what "Mr. Grumpy's" problem truly is.crap.gif

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 04:07 am
   
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OK OK let's stop now. Back On topic please. :) :cool: ;)

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 08:33 pm
   
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Only at the request of Ernie/WUS have I removed the links and posts in question as those who have been following this thread are aware of.I make no apologies for myself or on behalf of those attacked in this thread as they have done nothing wrong nor accusatory at or towards anyone or anybody and are very well respected WIS known for their kind demeanor and knowledge.:)

....3T and myself continue to be threatened both via pm and on open forum with a class action suit which apparently Carlos has no idea what that means?...and yet that seems to be OK as far as those involved with these false and liable accusations against members of this forum and 3T itself.Everything in that thread is false,even the assumptions some unknowing WIS claim.It is sad imho at best.:(

...Lawsuits are a 2 way street and if this manner of false accusation and directed liable is allowed and continues on another forum towards 3T which has now turned into a sensationalized attemp to gain empathy and posts to a otherwise unknown manufacturer than it will leave me no other avenue then to pursue this legally, to the full extent of the law including all persons,companies and forum either making or assuming these falsehoods.3T has a very firm legal disclaimer that all members agree to which alleve ownership and members from any legal obligations nor threat of suit.I am sorry that this has come to such a disheartening head over a simple yet very informative thread,which was going along flame free and genuinely positive by 3T's very well respected members.It took an outsider to turn it ugly and for this I apologize to the 3T body and hope this thread can now continue in the positive manner it was intended originally. thankyou.gif

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 09:06 pm
   
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Fortunately, I had never heard about Prometheus*...so, out of curiosity, I went to their web site to find...lo and behold...an Asian copy of a Sinn Chronograph...but what the hell, let the hypocrites question 3T's integrity at will...we all know what the truth is!  mistake.gif

* I am editing this because some scumbag (who has been banned from soooo many forums) has accused me of lying about my statement...so instead of going up and changing my statement, I will note that if I ever did hear or comment about Prometheus in the past, it left such a minor impression on me that I have no recollection of it!

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 09:50 pm
   
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Hey Ken, I did the same thing, but I have to say you are absolutely wrong on the Sinn replica, in reality it is a Kobold Phantom replica....right down to the red hands....almost couldn't be more exact IMHO....go figure crap.gif

Attachment: Kobold Phantom Ti Chronograph 1.jpg (Downloaded 146 times)

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 11:03 pm
   
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Nabco wrote: Hey Ken, I did the same thing, but I have to say you are absolutely wrong on the Sinn replica, in reality it is a Kobold Phantom replica....right down to the red hands....almost couldn't be more exact IMHO....go figure crap.gif

You are right...but it is very SINN like also..below are a 256 and a 103.





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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 11:31 pm
   
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This is plain ridiculous. Nowhere did any 3T member insinuate this particular "manufacturer" was using clones. As Ken paraphrased the bard, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

And why? I looked over the dedicated forum at WUS and didn't see a model with Swiss movement.:shock: 

 

And as mentioned the chrono is so Kobold-like the forum contains an open letter of apology to the man himself.subtlelaugh.gif This topic is most alarming when we consider all the small producers who may or may not have the means to acquire genuine movements. I would guess some may not even have the wherewithal to recognize a copied design before rushing into production. I think the cream will rise from the glut of small producers as time goes by...


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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 11:44 pm
   
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Pax, you can't blame him on copying the Kobold, he said it was an "accident" so that makes it all good.....right!!!

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 11:48 pm
   
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Nabco wrote:

Pax, you can't blame him on copying the Kobold, he said it was an "accident" so that makes it all good.....right!!!

I hear ya'. At least check the design prior to production.crap.gif

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 Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 01:20 am
   
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Paxman wrote: Nabco wrote:

Pax, you can't blame him on copying the Kobold, he said it was an "accident" so that makes it all good.....right!!!

I hear ya'. At least check the design prior to production.crap.gif

Yepper a little bit of home work and research goes a long way. ;)

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 Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 01:28 am
   
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Paxman wrote: Nabco wrote:

Pax, you can't blame him on copying the Kobold, he said it was an "accident" so that makes it all good.....right!!!

I hear ya'. At least check the design prior to production.crap.gif


Well...you know...it's not really his fault.  He even hired a "freelancer to do designs of watch. At time I hired him I told him I wanted to have a watch chrono similar to the ones made by Sinn."  So I guess it's the freelancer's fault for copying the Kobold. toon1.gif

Here's a guy that admits he hired a guy to design a watch that looks like a SINN...and the guy screws him by copying the Kobold design and handing it to him as an original!!!mistake.gif  I can't even imagine how uneducated this guy must be as to the watch industry...which raises a question.  He got duped on the design...how does he know he did not get duped on the ETA movements? subtlelaugh.gif

I am almost embarrassed that Ernie would risk his reputation, and take the risk of slandering ours, without investigating this guy and his product for the sake of a few bucks in revenue! face4.gif  WUS is much better than that!   I mean no offense to Ernie, but this guy is a appears to be complete amateur...even compared to others just entering the business!   Hmmmmmm....his Ocean Diver looks familiar, too!

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