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 Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2011 07:18 pm
   
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pretty interesting discussion. I am really not up on all this. I have seen the Crux designed watch on there site and also here, i am not familiar with SAS or their designs.

I don't know all the legal issues or laws governing patents, but I would wonder why SAS claiming the design is originally theirs and  valuable to the future business products, did not put a patent on it, so it would reamin exclusively theirs and would prohibit the factory from selling the case to any other watch builders.

Last edited on Mon Apr 11th, 2011 07:18 pm by joecb

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 Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2011 05:28 pm
   
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THIS IS WHAT I GOTTA SAY TO SaS ---- HTFU

 


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 Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2011 06:56 pm
   
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Careful William or you'll find yourself a target of the feces flingers!!

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 Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2011 09:41 pm
   
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let's give credit when credit is due...from what I hear SAS has excellent warranty service!bravo.gif
  ...how come these watches are in warranty repair?
really.gif

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 Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2011 10:09 pm
   
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oagaspar wrote:
let's give credit when credit is due...from what I hear SAS has excellent warranty service!bravo.gif
  ...how come these watches are in warranty repair?
really.gif


Watch is rated at 1000 meters just don't take a shower with it. really.gif

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 Posted: Mon Apr 18th, 2011 06:59 am
   
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Great discussion guys.. IMHO I think that SAS did the worst thing possible.. give free publicity to the competition by talking smack about themcrap.gif.... I work in the #1 telco company in my country.. we own 67% marketshare and when a new rival company emerged all their ads and marketing ploys were aimed at what WE failed at not at what THEY were offering.. man how I hate that!!!mad.gif... My thought is.. if you're selling something AND you're confident in it then why the hell would you worry about the competition!!! Sell your own s#%t and be done with it!!!

In my case, and reading from another forum how they speak ill of Crux.. IF I wanted that case design.. Crux would be my definite purchase.. 

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 Posted: Mon Apr 18th, 2011 11:44 am
   
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Hehehe, yes , the other forum's bashing...Exactly as you say, it didn't pay. Now they are certainly very busy with Vixa...subtlelaugh.gif

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 Posted: Mon Apr 18th, 2011 02:24 pm
   
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None of this matters...the CRUX is a beautiful watch (not to mention that they actually brought the design to market).  It has proven appeal and quality.  So if you like it - buy it...in this economy, I wish I had the excess funds to purchase one (perhaps I could take my boys out of private school!)

There are companies (and people) who cannot enjoy their own success without someone else failing (or trying to make them fail).  CRUX is successful in its own right with an excellent product of proven quality.  They have also proven that they have no need to denigrate their competition to enjoy their overwhelming success - they are businessmen, not whiners!

I again, salute their success and the quality of their product (and once again, regret that at this time, I cannot afford it...but the future holds hope!

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 Posted: Mon Apr 18th, 2011 03:27 pm
   
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KenC wrote: None of this matters...the CRUX is a beautiful watch (not to mention that they actually brought the design to market).  It has proven appeal and quality.  So if you like it - buy it...in this economy, I wish I had the excess funds to purchase one (perhaps I could take my boys out of private school!)

There are companies (and people) who cannot enjoy their own success without someone else failing (or trying to make them fail).  CRUX is successful in its own right with an excellent product of proven quality.  They have also proven that they have no need to denigrate their competition to enjoy their overwhelming success - they are businessmen, not whiners!

I again, salute their success and the quality of their product (and once again, regret that at this time, I cannot afford it...but the future holds hope!



Very well said my friend.

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 Posted: Wed May 11th, 2011 11:51 pm
   
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This has happened to us before. We had commissioned a company to do our first watch under the pretext that producing the sample wouldn't cost us a thing. We sent them our designs and drawings, the samples came out and we were not happy, at the next watch show in HK, we see the samples in someone else's booth and catalogue.

As you guys know, we have been having issue after issue with our new dive watch. After the first samples we had the same thought of just abandoning our deposit and the cases and starting afresh with another case manufacturer. If we did this, we would probably already have the watches out. But for fear of them selling the cases, we had to stick with the cases and sub-contract replacement parts even before the watches were released.

Most case factories live on relatively thin margins. Although the MOQ is about 300pc for most, they are really banking on a repeat order and the bigger brands really don't order anything below a couple of thousand.

Also, the whole definition of who designed what is vague as most brands only send in sketches and have the case factories 'design' the technical drawings. If they can sell Rolex/ Pam replica cases... what makes you think they can't do the same to other small brands.

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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2011 05:16 am
   
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I'm not surprised about what you say Movas: That was what I concluded at start. I totally understand your very first fear about leaving down the all stuff and starting fresh, risking a full copy program from them side.
It seems that the all thing about those Chinese manufactures is that one can't trust them when it comes to design rights or ideas. That's no mistery as they are the number one producent of copies around the world.
I've been reading about small companies complaining about the extremely tiring process they have to go through when they have cases made there, so I really start to wonder if it's worth the small price those factories propose?
Here's the list of constant complains:
Much bad communication, unprofessional and arrogant customer treatment, alterated specs, late delivery, assembling flaws, design leaks...
When you count all hours you spent struggling with them, your case certainly costed as much as a German one.
Personally if I would start a small brand, I would never have my cases made in Hong-Kong or around there.

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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2011 12:50 pm
   
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Hammerfjord wrote:

When you count all hours you spent struggling with them, your case certainly costed as much as a German one.


+1. Totally agree and I chime in with William's point. Many times all that anxiety isn't worth it and best to always saddle up with the pros. There is a market of WIS out there willing to spend a little more if the cases are sourced from the pros. In the end, like many things in life, you always get what you pay for.

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