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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 05:59 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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What Movement is in this watch? I believe I know what it is but the price, decoration and number of jewels is wrong or misprints or something. It seems like someone did some custom decoration on a ETA 289_ something that should have 21 jewels and the price is cheep. http://www.shopathometv.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=25002026
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:21 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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It's a modified 2894 done in-house there in Germany. They were talking about it on the show last night. ;)
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:28 pm |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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http://www.orologiepreziosi.it/ita/dettagli.php?categoria=Riedenschild_Orologi&pid=52&id=3&lang=en
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:28 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I believe that something got lost in the translation because a 2894 is a chronograph movement (trust me) 37 jewels. Not one of those made for TV moments I guess, maybe someone will purchase one and tell us as long as the model # has not been removed by the decoration process. Thanks man, have a good one.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:30 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Thanks man sound about right to me, it is a 21 jewel movement. Chick Hazzard wrote: http://www.orologiepreziosi.it/ita/dettagli.php?categoria=Riedenschild_Orologi&pid=52&id=3&lang=en
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:45 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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e.avery wrote: Thanks man sound about right to me, it is a 21 jewel movement. Save yourself another C-note here.......... http://www.watchmann.com/proddetail.asp?prod=advanceproB
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 07:02 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Tony Duronio wrote: e.avery wrote: Thanks man sound about right to me, it is a 21 jewel movement.
Works for me, Thanks
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 07:46 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Avery it was the big guy from Riedenschild himself talking about the watch and movement in the watch. He was saying they upgraded and modified the 2894 due to the 2824 and 2836 being so hard to get. If he dose not know what he puts in his own watches that would be bad. They did some real cool close up shots on it. put a whole lot of work into it. I was tempted but tring my best to behave some. ;)
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 08:07 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I believe you man but I was listening in and out of a drunken stupor and thought he was making an error. At the time unable to add one and one and get 2,or able to focus on the floor much less the ETA/Val reference manual. I was unable to recall any info other than where the bath room was and if I could make it thought the door, turn the light on, and make it to the toilet. It was just not a high priority. To be honest he is use to doing business in German and just made one of those mistakes that one makes on camera speaking your second language that you have been taught since he was a child, and can speak with out an accent.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 08:52 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Avery the problem is not you it is the non-WIS person they have doing the webpage information. Tim Temple even knows they screw up often. Very often. That blue pearl is suppose to be the "Blue Pearl 2" Here are the specs.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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We were all wrong and I will let the watch people on the boards figure it out. Got mine today and it was worth the 15 minutes it took to figure out what they had done. Wish all that purchased them the best of luck with theres.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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e.avery wrote: We were all wrong and I will let the watch people on the boards figure it out. Avery that just tells me the fella from Riedenschild has no clue what they put in their own watches. Which makes me wonder about the brand now. :?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:33 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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It is not the brand so much as someone is trying to get into the business of manufacturing movements and do not understand the tolerance levels that have to be achieved. My watch did not work and the look of the machining was not what I would call Swiss or German quality and the movement had been modified to become a 24 jewel. I did not mess with it to be honest, it was not worth my time. Nothing really looked correct, I tend to go with my gut and they may have the making of a good Movement down the road. When you are only making a few movements less than a few thousand each one had better work, and not have the escapement lock up.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Sorry to hear of your hassle E!  Well my take is that the GEMatic or whatever Riedenshild wants to call their German assembled in house Asian movement is just that ...Asian and from what I have seen not what I would call top o' the line either and there are some very good Asian movt's out there....the Germans really need to get some resrictions and requirements in place as the Swiss (and hopefully next month the Swiss even make it more restricted by voting for the 80% requirement) as to what Made in Germany is...this "German Assembled" stuff is just fluff imho and in no way "Made in Germany"... 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 08:49 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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It was definitely from China and a very bad sample, I just did not want to piss in anyones Cheerios. I just really do not like someone getting in TV and saying that they are selling a modified ETA, and have found a way to do it with the subsidies of the German Government. It reminds me of an Invicta trick or one of those other boutique brads. I just want to see the order contracts, verification that the money was wired, and the final delivery documents, or I will classify you as just another POS that wants to play the game, well batter up.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 10:33 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Educating WIS to be the wiser is a sometimes futile battle E as we both know and hopefully this forum can be an extension to those who do have this knowledge and experience and to those who want to learn....and we are all learning at some level or other and that's what I love about this hobby...there is always something to learn! ;) Learning the truth is a sometimes harsh reality especially when some WIS tend to cling to celebrity over those with true experience and knowledge in Horology.....been there and done that! :D
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| Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 11:29 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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LOL well thanks much Avery. Hope the information helps many out there. I looked at it when they were talking about it on the show and almost pulled the trigger but my gut just did not have that "Must have" feeling ya know. So I passed. It is sad you hope when a big wig from the company says a said movement is in a watch that it is true but live and learn that is not always the case. Maybe if I go for one of the watches of that movement I'll get one with the Japan movement we all know. LOL :D
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| Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 09:50 am |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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All this hullabaloo has kept me away from the brand altogether despite appreciating some of their designs. I know its almost always a safe bet to go with a tried and true Miyota movement, but this whole Gematic bull and the subterfuge around the "modified" movements has always put a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks Avery for confirming it!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 11:48 am |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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3 Cheers for Avery :cool:
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 01:11 am |
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TimShultz 3T WIS 
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I actually purchased the Blue Pearl 2nd edition. The manual states that it is a modified swiss eta movement. Is this not the case? I am still learning much of the watch terms etc..In any event, it is a nice looking watch and does keep good time...at least when compared to my rolex datejust. Tim.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 08:51 am |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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As far as I know it was, but the auto was not. It may have been some parts that would be placed in an ETA, modified and assembled by someone else. To tell you the truth I looked at the surfaces and they were not what I would consider top shelf. The surfaces were irregular and inconsistent in my opinion.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 11:54 am |
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noahfuller 3T WIS 
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Not naming names.. but there is a germany Co. out there putting Chinese ETA clones and others that look like Swiss movements in their watches and calling them "German watches" Basicaly it's really a German co. selling Chinese watches.... made to look like German Watches....
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 12:08 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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noahfuller wrote: Not naming names.. but there is a germany Co. out there putting Chinese ETA clones and others that look like Swiss movements in their watches and calling them "German watches" Actually Noah there are a few doing that Germasian thing now.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 12:43 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I wish I had taken more than just a once over of the movement. I do not remember the specifics of the auto now, I wish I would have taken a pic so that I could have referred back to it.
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