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anders213 3T WIS 
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Aloha Everyone While we are planning our next model, we will like to find out what do you think is essential for a divers watch? And hopefully we can incorporate your ideas into our watch. Get on with it guys. Anders |
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hucky 3T WIS 
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For myself Size Thickness Lume A Unique Case, with cool machining Colors that are unique Titanium I also like a Funky offset Crown with cool knurling and big but protected Cheers Last edited on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 07:39 am by hucky |
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Marcello_GT 3T WIS
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Hi there Anders, Kudos aplenty to you for such an open invitation for everybody to contribute and pitch in. Commitment is the key word and your implementation is flawless! First and foremost, clarity of display and instant recognition of information to the user. The watch must have/convey solidity of character and certainty of soul. No unnecessary clutter on display, large bold visible but not garish hands, markers/indices made to orientate and not confound the user. Colors and textures of all those parts must complement and not conflict each other. The same goes for the bezel, which must be usable and relevant to the watch and its intended function. Ruggedness of built, extreme water resistance of course - inasmuch WR must be practical and "enabled", qualifying the piece as a true tool watch, made to be used "in the wild" instead of a desk or the poolside bar. Case -and in a lesser measure the crown- should be big and heavy enough to be seen and felt but not so much as to become a hindrance, flipping and flopping and bumping around. Bracelet and/or strap should have enough girth and comfort to make wearing the watch a pleasure. Strap options beyond the obvious are a much welcome bonus. Altogether the watch must be made to stand out but not yell its presence; think "less is more" and you'll be on track. Just my dois centavos, ok? Marcello GT |
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Willieboy 3T WIS 
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Hello Anders, Thanks for the question. My experience as a diver was almost all in the Great Lakes with some diving done in the caves of norther Florida. My Great Lakes diving was done almost exclusively on deeper shipwrecks, many times in the interior of the wreck. Therefore, my requirements would be more stringent than someone diving in a tropical paradise. What I would want would be a large, clear, and uncluttered face and big bold hands. The Divergraph, while a beautiful watch, would not be a diver I would depend on because the dial is busy, the hands are too fine and the bezel moves too freely. Note, the diver in my avatar is a Marathon TSAR. A great watch but, really not a dedicated diver, IMO, which is anything but humble. Dial too busy and hands too small. The Marathon SAR, though, looks like it would be a good diver but I don't have one. The Oceantimer would be more desirable to me because the hands are bolder, the dial is cleaner and. It just lacks some size. To me, the lume issue, while it's always nice to have, for the kind of diving I did would be less important because I always brought my own sunshine in the form of redundant, powerful lights. The bezel of a good diver should be fairly difficuolt to move. More like the Oceantimer and less like the Divergraph. Diving equipment takes a terrible beating and it's nearly impossible to baby it. Therefore, obviously, the diving watch should be rugged. For me, one of the best divers available today is the Citizen Eco-Zilla or Auto-Zilla, at least among those I have. If I could change that watch, just a smidgen, I'd enlarge the face a little and maybe have the dial set a little less deep. Some say a diving watch should be an automatic because of concerns the battery could give out on a quartz in the middle of a diving operation. That's no doubt, a valid concern but it never concerned me because essential equipment like lights, watches, knives, etc., were always carried in duplicate where practical. Keep in mind, I'm an old guy and diving has changed a great deal since I was active. My thoughts are based on experience from 25-40 years ago. I understand that today, dive timing operations are handled by dive computers....imagine, underwater computers. Also, as Marcello said, in diving, sometimes less is more. Try to keep things simple. Hope my input helps. Last edited on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 10:52 pm by Willieboy |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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hmm, i agree with wat everyones mentioned, good lume, tough bezel, easily readible dial, big crown etc2. But ive found myself to be grown more n more to big thick dive watches. All the big brands r churning out massive n increadible lookin pieces. When i first started being interest in watches, then it was like 40mm max. Now after owning a few big chunky watches, i like the weight n the presence it has on yer wrist. Anything 43-45mm is the norm now i guess? So if yer designing a new watch i vote for big unique chunky case anydays. smile8.gifsmile8.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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In addition to the comments already here I must add: ORANGE!! :D:D:D |
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Willieboy 3T WIS
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Eegads! Just kidding Pax. Orange is a great color for a diver. Paxman wrote: In addition to the comments already here I must add: Last edited on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 10:30 pm by Willieboy |
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Crue4 3T WIS 
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Nice Size Comfort on the wrist Lume must be very good Highly visible hands and markers Non Cluttered Dial 22mm lugs minimum Automatic movt. Last edited on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 02:07 am by Crue4 |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Case size range: 42mm to 46mm Lugs 22mm or 24mm Rubber strap preferred but ss bracelet OK At least 300M WR preferred. Automatic movement (Swiss preferred) |
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DEMO Guest
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Well Anders, since you asked, my opinion of essential Diver watch characteristics: - Stainless steel case with all brushed or bead blasted finish (no glossy areas). - Case dimensions: 43-45mm diameter (excluding crown), 14-17mm overall thickness. - Protected crown, (crown guards). - 22 or 24mm lugs. - Depth rated to 300m or greater. - Screw-down case back and crown. - Automatic movement - Rotating bezel with lume marker at 12:00, nice firm clicks, dimensionally thick proportion, minute markers full circumference of bezel, large easy to grip machined outer rim "lugs", clearly legible classic font for numbers. - Large diameter crown. - Dial: Flat black color, large brightly lumed hour markers, white minute markers, larger proportioned marker at 12:00, clean uncluttered layout. - Date function, (white numbers on black background). - Hands: Highly legible, highly lumed, yellow or orange color accented minute hand, oversized proportion minute hand, lumed tipped sweeping second hand. - Domed sapphire crystal with interior AR coating. - Braclet: Stainless steel with brushed or bead blasted finish (no glossy areas), large rugged looking link proportions, screw lug attachment, solid ends and links, screwed or pinned links, fold over deployment clasp with micro adjustment, logo etched on clasp, optionally supplied black rubber dive strap. Thanks for asking.  |
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anders213 3T WIS
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Howdy guys! Thank You everyone for their input and ideas. Greatly appreciated. Now I have a better idea now. What do you guys say we do something sporty with strong lines? Something masculine? I consolidated everyone's opinion. Ok start with the case... Who is in for a 44mm case that is about 15mm thick? |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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anders213 wrote: Howdy guys! Thank You everyone for their input and ideas. Greatly appreciated. Works for me Anders. ;) |
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DEMO Guest
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Sounds great Anders. hand6.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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I'm in Anders...and a more sporty,all around tool watch w/a nice depth rating sounds cool! I think the whole everyone must do a Dive watch thing is getting played out!yahoo.gif |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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44mm sounds like a workable size. So will this be a swiss automatic?  |
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anders213 3T WIS
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Case size noted. Movements... what do you think will be a suitable movement. Miyota 8215, ETA2824-2 or an ETA2801? |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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For a diver my preference would be ETA 2824-2 and 2ed a Miyota 8215.;) |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I would really like to see the eta 2801 mechanical!....it is a sweet movement with a nice power reserve and would be truly unique in a sport watch imhoyahoo.gif |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: I would really like to see the eta 2801 mechanical!....it is a sweet movement with a nice power reserve and would be truly unique in a sport watch imhoyahoo.gif It would be cool. But would prefer such a movement in a Pilot or Casual sport over a diver. ;) |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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that why I think it would be unique....and I thought Anders was leaning towards a sport watch at this timehand6.gif.....many vintage divers used a 17j mechanical and the throw-back would be very nostalgic imhoyourock.gif |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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If more of a sport watch I would agree on the 2801 all the way. ;) A diver maybe. :cool: |
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KenC Admin 
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Have not been diving for a few decades, but...let me add a couple of things I did not see (of course, I could have simply missed them): 1) LUME, LUME, LUME...either superluminova or tritium tubes. 2) A wide, legible bezel. 3) My design preference would be in the "retro" arena, and, 4) the 2801 movement. As to size, I know these guys like to walk around with wall clocks on their "manly" wrists, but I prefer a 42mm size. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Have not been diving for a few decades, but...let me add a couple of things I did not see (of course, I could have simply missed them): Oh Ken come on. it is OK that your wrist is about as big as my big toe. LOL  |
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KenC Admin
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Skipdawg wrote: KenC wrote:Have not been diving for a few decades, but...let me add a couple of things I did not see (of course, I could have simply missed them): I know that Skip...it amazes me though that you guys want these huge watches...makes me wonder what kind of exercise y'all are doing to get your wrists so "manly"! |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Skipdawg wrote: happy1.gif 12 ounces at a time. :D |
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KenC Admin
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Skipdawg wrote: KenC wrote:Skipdawg wrote: Hmmmmmm....still not that clear, and still wondering? |
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teddyhanna Guest
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Skipdawg wrote: anders213 wrote:Howdy guys! Thank You everyone for their input and ideas. Greatly appreciated. Anders sounds awesome...Just my opinion make the case 15mm thick and that's not including the bezel. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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No Date... If you have a date, then no magnifier over it. |
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anders213 3T WIS
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Alrighty guys! Teddy: 15mm without the bezel is insanely thick! We are talking about 20-25mm thick with a bezel? That is what I call a wrist weapon. Hahhahahaah. But I am considering a 15mm-ish thick case. What do you think? I have drawn a lot of case shapes and sizes. What a way to burn the weekend. Ciao Anders |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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let's see those drawings Anders....we're chomping at the bit Buddy!yahoo.gif |
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teddyhanna Guest
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anders213 wrote: Alrighty guys! Ok your wright 20mm is crazy. All right a 15mm-ish thick case sounds good. 44mm would be cool. Lug 24 or 22. Wide bezel. 2801 sounds good. What about hands sword, plongeur, saber, stick&ball...? Anders what ever you do, I'm sure it will be awesome. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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teddyhanna wrote: anders213 wrote:Alrighty guys! Sounds like were getting to a good target zone for one cool diver. ;) |
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SBD 3T WIS
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I am all for a 44mm x 15mm case. While I am a huge fan of the Oceantimer, I think I'd love it even more if it had just a couple more mm of dial. I also think the bezel would be much easier to grip if it were a bit taller. Throw in an auto movement and I'm in WIS heaven! BTW, if there's a set of hands on a watch that makes the hour and minute hands more obviously different, I haven't seen them. I don't mean to suggest that this is a design you should stick with -- I'm just noting that I see the Oceantimer's hands as the most successful design aspect of the O'timer (IMHO). Thanks for the opportunity to voice my opinion! |
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anders213 3T WIS
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I have a few ideas but its all handsketched and in the infant stage now. So until I can put the ideas together, I wont want to show my lousy drawing skills. ;) So hang in there guys and keep those ideas coming. Anders |
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anders213 3T WIS
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Appreciated mate. Ill try to see if there is any variant of the OceanTimer's hands. Those are made by us specially for Oceantimer. SBD wrote: I am all for a 44mm x 15mm case. |
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murphy j 3T WIS 
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Anders, a lot of great ideas have been thrown out to you, but I would have to second Ken on the case size. I think most people(Hucky excluded) would find 44mm a bit large aestheticaly. Also, I really like the idea of going retro with the ETA 2801. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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murphy j wrote: Anders, a lot of great ideas have been thrown out to you, but I would have to second Ken on the case size. I think most people(Hucky excluded) would find 44mm a bit large aestheticaly. Also, I really like the idea of going retro with the ETA 2801. Oh come now Murph are you realy going to try to share that little boat with Ken. LOL :D This baby needs to be at least 44mm if not 45mm or 46mm. Ken just needs to work out some. Something other than golf. hehehehehe :D:cool: |
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teddyhanna Guest
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Skipdawg wrote: murphy j wrote:Anders, a lot of great ideas have been thrown out to you, but I would have to second Ken on the case size. I think most people(Hucky excluded) would find 44mm a bit large aestheticaly. Also, I really like the idea of going retro with the ETA 2801. Yes I agree Anders with John at least 44mm. I count 7guys out of this thread that want it in the range John is refering to. Ken and Murph together in a boat wow..... John think about it, Ken foundly found someone.........yahoo.gif |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Hehehehehehe I just love picking on you guys. almost as much as collecting watches. :cool: But while thinking about it should it be a boat or canoe? :D |
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hucky 3T WIS
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BIG is in! If its Big enough You will have my attention for sure. |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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ahauahauah, u guys r a crazy bunch!! total crackups! lol ...im all in for 44/15mm specs. 2801 im not so sure....i guess it depends on how 'retro' the design is...its refreshing but if its a tool type watch i prefer an automatic. im all excited anders so when can we see some of the designs?? |
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anders213 3T WIS
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Whatcha guys waiting for? Start working out now mates! Dont worry guys, I have a pretty small wrist too. So they have to fit my wrist as well. But of course it will fit those 8-9" wristers too. So 44m wide, 15m thick. |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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teddyhanna wrote: Skipdawg wrote:murphy j wrote:Anders, a lot of great ideas have been thrown out to you, but I would have to second Ken on the case size. I think most people(Hucky excluded) would find 44mm a bit large aestheticaly. Also, I really like the idea of going retro with the ETA 2801. Well.....I knew Ken and I would be outvoted on the case size. I could probably live with 44mm if this is as cool of a watch as I hope it'll be, but there's no way I myself could go any bigger. I've tried on a 45mm Omega PO and it was like I was trying to compensate for something it was so large . And as far as that whole boat thing with Ken and I, It would have to be a Zodiac rubber assault craft, else there wouldn't be enough room for our gear:D. |
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hucky 3T WIS
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Oh come on Murphy, use it as a weapon while in the field! Leave an Imprint on somebodys forhead I like Substance for my money |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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COUNTDOWN BEZEL seriously. Who's with me? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I think a countdown bezel is a given on any dive watch :D |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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I think you are thinking of a count-up bezel, standard on most dive watches. They measure elapsed time a countdown bezel measures time remaining. The 15 is in the 9 o'clock position instead of at 3. You turn the time to the minute hand, and when it reaches 0, times up. Regular bezel count up, not down, but they are not nearly as useful |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I know exactly the difference between the 2...that is why I put the laughing face next to my sorta sarcastic reply after hearing you seriously say you wanted a countdown bezel on a dive watch....which is generally found on a pilots chronograph where I would agree it would be more useful ;).....I find the basic dive bezel w/15 at the 3 much more useful as far as ease of use and ledgeability....but both style bezels will perform so I guess it would be a matter of preference even though the best dive watches in the world all use the traditional count up bezelhand6.gif....btw my Abyss has the countdown bezel Attachment: cd abyss.jpg (Downloaded 52 times) |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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yeah. I just think it would be kind of unique. Right now all dievas watches have count up... Maybe it could be offered as an option? Or like two similar models kind of like with the divergraph and the tritium. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I would have liked to have seen the Divergraph with a countdown bezelhand6.gif.....there is a Certina 2 that uses it but I haven't seen many other divers use it so it would be unique yourock.gif |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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Traser P 6504 Nautic I'm not a huge fan of the flasy blue and yellow stuff or the plastic case, but i would like to see something like this (with the tritium bezel dot)... maybe an upscale SS case and a nicer ceramic bezel with red hash marks and red tritium? that would be amazing. Last edited on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 02:23 am by pasfreak |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I am sure Anders will have a upscale case and bezel,but as far as red being used on a dive watch I would say no as it is considered the worst color when diving as far as being ledgeable on a dive watchhand6.gif |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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I thought blue was the hardest to see. I'm no expert, but to me lume is lume- maybe red tritium has some benefits? There are few if any watches out there with this color. But I will gladly yield to anyone who knows more than me. |
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hucky 3T WIS
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24mm Lugs and Long, to accept a thick leather strap Drilled Lugs to accept Screw Ins instead of spring bars. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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1st of all the tritium tubes are narrow and red takes time for your eyes to adjust to so most dive watches will not use tubes...they are nice and have a place....a diver needs to check his watch at a glance without any adjustment to sight.....blue trit would be equally as hard to see underwater imho;) ....here are a few shots of watches with tubes and dive watches using super luminova ...you will notice as I said the tubes are narrow and would be harder to see underwater opposed to the much wider traditional hands on a dive watch....I believe dive watch purists would agree superluminova would be their preference...and this watch is being made for the masses as a true dive watch imohand6.gif Tubes  Dive watch  Extreme lume  |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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my dgraph is plenty bright at night... Maybe it's just the orange- I hear your eyes are most sensitive to that color. I dont have any experience with really bright luminova watches but given that they go really dim after 30 mins or so isn't tritium a better choice? also you probably already know this but with cameras you can make one watch look brighter than then other with exposure times. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I post a ton of pics so no tricks :D...as far as lume only lasting 30 mins?....not so for your better watches...these 2 as well as a 100 more of mine will last the night!....as far as diving is concerned a 30 min. dive is a good dive for a average tank of oxy hand6.gif |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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sweet. I'm just a lume freak and I like tritium... But I guess anything that is bright and looks cool I'm all for! :D I said this on wus too-> I like any color lume pretty much, but green and orange just dont mix in equal quantities |
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KenC Admin
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And I'm all for a GMT bezel....so there! |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: And I'm all for a GMT bezel....so there! Sounds like a winner to me also. :cool: |
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pasfreak 3T WIS
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what's the point of a GMT bezel on a diver? |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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tbh im open to anythign really. i want a sturdy hefty watch that is a bit diff from all the divers we have now. lets see wat anders n his designers can come up with. :D:D |
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KenC Admin
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pasfreak wrote: what's the point of a GMT bezel on a diver? The point is that it is a bezel that can still be used as a ET device for diving (unless one can't divide 60 by 12...and in that case, they probably shouldn't be diving) and it gives you the extra functionality of tracking a 2nd time zone. |
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teddyhanna Guest
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Anders I just wanted to ask where are you at on this project......? |
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anders213 3T WIS
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We are in the mids of prototypes. And trying to change some specifications and designs to make it pass the 1000m WR test. While I know a lot of watches out there are in the 1000m WR category. But a lot of them are just built in specifications to withstand the pressure. For Dievas Divers it will be built for 1000m and will be tested to 1000m. Ill release more info when I can. We are looking most probably at a late 1st quater release if everything goes according to plan. Cheers Anders |
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teddyhanna Guest
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Anders thanks for the update, cannot wait to see..... Also Anders any pic's would would be kewl to see. |
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dean 3T WIS 
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Super Extreme lume Cheers Dean Last edited on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 12:00 pm by dean |
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JKang 3T WIS 
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Hope I'm not too late to the party. What do I look for in a diver's watch? Nothing too loud or industrial, I'm afraid. My ideal diver's style watch should be comfortably worn, despite its not-too-extreme size. Notice I say "diver's style" because it must definitely go underwater and do it well, but because I can't even swim in chlorinated water without getting a skin reaction, it must look good, be well constructed, and wear well with everyday clothes, not just a wetsuit! Case size: 40 - 42mm tops. Bezel: Thin, 5 - 8mm printed area, chamfered and tapered off like a GMT, not right-angled and protruding like the SAR. Total height: Under 14mm. I'd love little touches that can only be discovered by someone who actually owns it. E.g. I had the opportunity of handling Anders' own Damasko, and was real stoked to feel unidirectional fins on the winding crown. Why not the same on a unidirectional bezel? My personal want, is to see more 40mm divers, with good attention to detail and cool "manufacturing" touches. Don't rely on visual bombastic-ness or sheer heft. I know these are in vogue now, and there are some really nice pieces out there. I just can't wear them everyday, or they don't really look good on me. There are some guys who can really pull it off though, and full props to them. But since this thread is about what "you" look for, I'd put in my opinions. The Superocean Heritage 38 and Fifty Fathoms are good examples that you don't need to be big or "industrial" to look elegant, yet sporty. Regards, Jonathan |
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Mike T. 3T WIS 
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Anders, I disagree with the last post, but only because I need HUGE watches to look cool. Also, my eyesight isn't what it used to be so anything over 46mm is great for me, especially when diving. Seriously though, I assume you are beyond the advice stage on this project, so just send me serial #1 and be done with it. I'm sure I will love it. P.S.- if #1 is not available, I'll take any number after that! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I hope some of you new members are aware this is an old thread started in June 08' and silent since Nov....and that Anders has his new divers all ready for production as announced last week :D http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=14861&forum_id=40 |
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