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e.avery 3T WIS 
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I was searching around the Internet to find out public info on Co. based in China and found this on Wiki.. Million Smart Enterprises Million Smart Enterprises is an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacture) company with offices in Kowloon and a factory facility in Shenzhen. Their main business in low-cost complicated mechanical wristwatches for brands sold primarily via the internet. Million Smart have their own house brand, 'Bernadino', however this is probably only used for promotion of their products within the trade. Their watches are assembled from movements and parts from various sources, thus they are able to offer an unusually broad product range. Million Smart gained some notoriety in the early 2000s with a Frank Muller-inspired, tonneau-cased open-heart watch that they supplied to many international brands. Some however were used for actual Frank Muller fakes. They were also produced for Montres Allison, a brand owned by US businessman Terry Allison who publicly insisted, in the face of mounting evidence, that his own company had made the watches. When the Chinese copy of the ETA 7750 auto chrono entered production, Million Smart were quick to add it to their product range with the description "China's first automatic chronograph". These watches seem to have been successful for them and reports of their quality have been generally positive. It is presumed that they source the movements from Liaoning Watch Factory. Their use of the Liaoning tourbillon also did much to popularize the Chinese tourbillon. Some brands known to buy from Million Smart include Trias, Elysee and Aeromatic 1912 in Germany, and Orion and Dolphin in Russia. Links http://www.millionsmart.com/e/default_home.asp |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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 Thanks for that info, Avery. Now the "dubious" origins of some of these brands is clear. Bookmarked for future reference. |
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Graeme 3T WIS 
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I clicked on the link and went to that site, I clicked on their watches to have a look at them and a VIRUS WARNING came up on my computer. :X |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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It works for me must be a glitch in the system. They are a big Co. that make a lot of watches, but no one is exempt from viruses I would assume. |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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Good information .... good to know .... the more I learn, the more I realize my ignorance about watches and the watch biz |
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romano 3T WIS 
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Some of their product are ok as far as looks go  |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Millionsmart has been around for a long time and contract the manufacture of many popular brands....here is a link from 05' ...RandyG a long time member who has been taking a break had a beautiful custom Tourbillon made by them 6 or 7 years ago and was quite nicehand6.gif http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=678&forum_id=1&highlight=millionsmart |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Graeme wrote: I clicked on the link and went to that site, I clicked on their watches to have a look at them and a VIRUS WARNING came up on my computer. :X Just scanned a few pages and nothing found. What AV product are you using? Interesting info indeed thanks for sharing. I believe the 7750 clone in my Zinex Chrono is made by them too. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I know I have some of there products, and they are ones I wear. With all of the Oriental movements available today there business model has changed, but there watches use to have ETA and Miyota movements. O. I tried to do a search here but only came up with one thread, it was Edgel's tourbillion, thanks for another. We have talked about quite a few there products, but seldom do we do a direct connect. |
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aloy 3T WIS 
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e.avery wrote: I know I have some of there products, and they are ones I wear. With all of the Oriental movements available today there business model has changed, but there watches use to have ETA and Miyota movements. I was leery about the tourbillons, and after reading that thread and what PJ said about how they stop running after 30 minutes I'm even more so. What are your opinions please? :) |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I know very little about the movements that are being produced in or around China. Wish I could answer, but almost anyone would be more qualified. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Alina that thread was from 05' so much has changed....I have owned a Asian Tourbillon for over a year with no problems and I know Edgel has as wellhand6.gif |
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Edgel 3T WIS 
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O. is correct. My tourbillon has been trouble free and keeps very good time. |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS 
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A few years ago when I was a dealer for Volmax and V-E, I considered contracting with M-S for bulk purchases of my own "German" watch line but, alas, good judgment got the better of me. But hey, I AM half German! yahoo.gif |
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aloy 3T WIS
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That's great to hear O! I've always wanted to own a tourbillon. hearteyes.gif But are the ones you and Edgel own from this company? If no, what brand are they please? Thanks so much in advance ... :) |
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aloy 3T WIS
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Edgel wrote: O. is correct. My tourbillon has been trouble free and keeps very good time. OOPS! Didn't read the thread all the way through. :? So Edgel, that's awesome. I'm wondering if you'd mind telling me what brand you own and how you acquired yours (and maybe how much it cost too :D) please? Thanks so much in advance! ;) :D Last edited on Fri Dec 12th, 2008 12:42 pm by aloy |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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it doesn't matter what brand is on the dial as most all Asian tourbillons are built by either Millionsmart or Seagull....eBay has plentyhand6.gif...this one I have is a dressier Louis Bolle regulatuer but I have another that is Samson...a bit sportier 3 hander that I haven't taken pics of yetwatch2.gif aloy wrote: That's great to hear O! I've always wanted to own a tourbillon. hearteyes.gif Attachment: Tourbillion.jpg (Downloaded 71 times) |
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aloy 3T WIS
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Ooooh! Your Louis is a real beauty! hearteyes.gif I'm lusting for one! ;)  Thanks so much for the info. I'll get right on it ... after I get back from winter break. ;) :) |
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Tim Temple 3T WIS 
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I have two Asian tourbillons in my collection (both less than two years old) and they both perform very well. I think mine are from Seagull, but either way there is no question that the quality has gone up dramatically from even a few years ago. Btw.. Seagull debuted their double tourbillon at the Hong Kong Watch and Clock Fair that I attended. A pricey toy, but definitely impressive to see. Last edited on Sat Dec 13th, 2008 01:19 pm by Tim Temple |
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