| Author | Post |
|---|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
I just came across some recent pics of a prototype piece from a new Micro-brand 'Tempest Watches' that is starting up (there has been a fair amount of discussion on this one over on one of the other forums). Their first piece is going to be the Viking, and it just came available for preorder. Google will take you to the Tempest Watches website.
Based on what I have read, they are striving for upper tier components including a "top-grade ETA 2824-2" movement, and have what I see as pretty unique case design. When I saw the initial "front on" views, I thought to myself...looks like yet another 'me too' 2000m diver with nice dimensions, but the recent better perspective shots of the prototype really have me liking this one quite a bit. I'm particularly liking the case/bezel profile (with very nice dimensions and a cool ceramic lume bezel), and most of all the extra design details and machining that is evident in the side views of the case and crown. ...case available is ss or DLC
I'm seriously thinking about ordering this one!!!
What do you guys think?
Here's some basic info...
Diameter: 45mm (excluding crown)
Lug Width: 22mm
Height: 18mm
Movement: Top Grade ETA 2824-2
Case: Brushed Solid Stainless Steel (316L)
Crystal: Extra thick, domed sapphire crystal (with anti-reflective coating on inside only)
Bezel: 120 - click, unidirectional, tough ceramic luminous insert bezel
Ratings: Anti-magnetic , Shock resistance. Each watch is individually pressure tested to 2000M
SWISS MADE
Preorder price for the ss model is ~$1200, DLC model is ~$1300
OceanicTime's blog had a nice writeup with some linkable higher resolution pictures to the prototype here: (keep in mind this is a prototype and has some issues with the bezel numbering and some other fit issues).
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Last edited on Sat Jul 9th, 2011 12:13 pm by stew77 |
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Been following the project for a while now...
Was expecting a lower price introduction for a first shot's brand...Something more like 800-900 buks.
Why? Well, you know how the "Swiss-Made" stamp is working now...
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote: Been following the project for a while now...
Was expecting a lower price introduction for a first shot's brand...Something more like 800-900 buks.
Why? Well, you know how the "Swiss-Made" stamp is working now...
Yes...I agree with your sentiments here Will.
We pretty much know what the 'swiss-made' stamp means these days...and with a new, unproven brand one is rolling the dice a bit when it comes to the quality that may result from the first effort.
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
too much $ for a Chi-Swiss 1st offering imo...this is the guy who had "Made in Swiss" on the caseback until he was called on it...I was contacted by Tempest back in Oct.2010 ...my advice was come back when you have a watch...it's now July and the watch is still not going to be done until the end of the year?..too many if's and maybes,like that top grade eta which he doesn't know if he can contract yet...wait until they start hitting the sales forums for a better deal if you must.
...that complete ground up design is using a crown guard with strange similarities to Seans new crown guard on the 100% Asian MoVas...
Attachment: movas new crown2.jpg (Downloaded 279 times)
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
stew77 wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: Been following the project for a while now...
Was expecting a lower price introduction for a first shot's brand...Something more like 800-900 buks.
Why? Well, you know how the "Swiss-Made" stamp is working now...
Yes...I agree with your sentiments here Will.
We pretty much know what the 'swiss-made' stamp means these days...and with a new, unproven brand one is rolling the dice a bit when it comes to the quality that may result from the first effort.
Well, after reading the first reviews, we will see if it's all in order there...
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
too much $ for a Chi-Swiss ist offering imo...this is the guy who had "Made in Swiss" on the caseback until he was called on it...I was contacted by Tempest back in Oct.2010 ...my advice was come back when you have a watch...it's now July and the watch is still not going to be done until the end of the year?..too many if's and maybes,like that top grade eta which he doesn't know if he can contract yet...wait until they start hitting the sales forums for a better deal if you must.
...that complete ground up design is using a crown guard with strange similarities to Seans new crown guard on the 100% Asian MoVas...
Yes, I remember this "Made in Swiss" first case-back drawing.
Couldn't believe it at first
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote: too much $ for a Chi-Swiss 1st offering imo...this is the guy who had "Made in Swiss" on the caseback until he was called on it...I was contacted by Tempest back in Oct.2010 ...my advice was come back when you have a watch...it's now July and the watch is still not going to be done until the end of the year?..too many if's and maybes,like that top grade eta which he doesn't know if he can contract yet...wait until they start hitting the sales forums for a better deal if you must.
...that complete ground up design is using a crown guard with strange similarities to Seans new crown guard on the 100% Asian MoVas...
All good points Oscar...
He has confirmed (on another forum) that he will indeed be sourcing the Top Grade version of the movement.
My head says to wait and see what the final product quality looks like, and like you said...being patient and waiting for them to show up on the sales forums would be the most economical approach...
...my emotion is getting in the way of my head, however, as I really like the design/design elements/material set with this one and the more I look a good quality pics of even the prototype, the more I'm impressed with how good the case machining looks...
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
for the same $400. deposit and at $100. less you can pre-order a H2O watch with custom dials and components...WR tested (6000m) way beyond it's capability.
http://www.h2o-watch.com/
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote: for the same $400. deposit and at $100. less you can pre-order a H2O watch with custom dials and components...WR tested (6000m) way beyond it's capability.
http://www.h2o-watch.com/
Agreed...and I do like many aspects of the H2O...(although the tempest case, bezel, hands, etc has me prefering it in design...my preference, of course).
...that persistent WIS dilemma...way too many watch choices, and not enough brinks trucks full of funds to bring them all home...
For that matter, the new Armida A1 and PVD Crux have been getting me drooling.
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
I like the design Chris,but I have my doubts on the builder,his experience with watches in general,which no one has even asked once,and who he is paying to do the 1st review,who everyone knows only produces positive reviews in trade for watches.
..I wish Ben the best,but whenever I hear,"Chinese cases being shipped off to Switzerland for final assembly and inspection",I just don't see that plane taking off from China...price the watch accordingly and I'm there.
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote: I like the design Chris,but I have my doubts on the builder,his experience with watches in general,which no one has even asked once,and who he is paying to do the 1st review,who everyone knows only produces positive reviews in trade for watches.
..I wish Ben the best,but whenever I hear,"Chinese cases being shipped off to Switzerland for final assembly and inspection",I just don't see that plane taking off from China...price the watch accordingly and I'm there.
Yes...fair enough, and I agree...within the current watch industry (with likely some big names included too), it seems like "it's not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true that counts", which as we all know is a shame.
It seems like all we can do is our best due diligence...and seek the best advice that we can from those in the know...I appreciate the inputs guys.
Ben seems like a good guy, and like you I wish him the best...I must admit he really has me with a compelling design.
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
for the same $400. deposit and at $100. less you can pre-order a H2O watch with custom dials and components...WR tested (6000m) way beyond it's capability.
http://www.h2o-watch.com/
The Kalmar is also in titanium...
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote: oagaspar wrote:
for the same $400. deposit and at $100. less you can pre-order a H2O watch with custom dials and components...WR tested (6000m) way beyond it's capability.
http://www.h2o-watch.com/
The Kalmar is also in titanium... and Made In Germany!
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
stew77 wrote: oagaspar wrote: I like the design Chris,but I have my doubts on the builder,his experience with watches in general,which no one has even asked once,and who he is paying to do the 1st review,who everyone knows only produces positive reviews in trade for watches.
..I wish Ben the best,but whenever I hear,"Chinese cases being shipped off to Switzerland for final assembly and inspection",I just don't see that plane taking off from China...price the watch accordingly and I'm there.
Yes...fair enough, and I agree...within the current watch industry (with likely some big names included too), it seems like "it's not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true that counts", which as we all know is a shame.
It seems like all we can do is our best due diligence...and seek the best advice that we can from those in the know...I appreciate the inputs guys.
Ben seems like a good guy, and like you I wish him the best...I must admit he really has me with a compelling design.
from what I have learned myself in pm's,and from what I have read,Ben is a great guy imo...I can also understand being excited and anxious to get a design out...lets just hope it all equates to a watch worthy of the hype it is getting on WUS.I remember the same hype over there about a couple brands and projects,all of which just seem to dissipate after their release.
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: oagaspar wrote:
for the same $400. deposit and at $100. less you can pre-order a H2O watch with custom dials and components...WR tested (6000m) way beyond it's capability.
http://www.h2o-watch.com/
The Kalmar is also in titanium... and Made In Germany!
I wasn't sure about that Oscar! You have concrete infos?
|
sparkii
3T WIS
| Joined: | Sat Jan 10th, 2009 |
| Location: | Olathe, Kansas USA |
| Posts: | 251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: Kalmar with Swiss ETA 2836-2 GMT...???
Since when ETA made 2836-2 with GMT complication?
I smell Bull Kong I like the looks of the Kalmar but as Will stated not with that replica eta GMT in it...and you all know how I feel about that movement!
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
sparkii wrote:
oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: Kalmar with Swiss ETA 2836-2 GMT...???
Since when ETA made 2836-2 with GMT complication?
I smell Bull Kong I like the looks of the Kalmar but as Will stated not with that replica eta GMT in it...and you all know how I feel about that movement!
Yes, the 2836-2 GMT is the cheap GMT version of the 2893-2: With a Chinese module.
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote: oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: oagaspar wrote:
for the same $400. deposit and at $100. less you can pre-order a H2O watch with custom dials and components...WR tested (6000m) way beyond it's capability.
http://www.h2o-watch.com/
The Kalmar is also in titanium... and Made In Germany!
I wasn't sure about that Oscar! You have concrete infos? tested in Germany,my bad...Made by German!...maybe Clemens will chime in on the origins of the Kalmar...
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
sparkii wrote: oagaspar wroteI like the looks of the Kalmar but as Will stated not with that replica eta GMT in it...and you all know how I feel about that movement!
what are you trying to say,that maybe I've changed my mind since saying this, back around your last visit in Feb...?...
I still wouldn't buy 1 with that GMT movement or any version of the rep eta 2836 GMT mod.in it......even if the version used in the H2O is the 1 being produced by a Swiss Co.(Leschot S.A),who does a mod to a 2836 which allows it to adapt a 24 hr. hand(I'm not sure if they actually produce the completed eta 2836 GMT mod)
...the eta 2836 GMT does not exist in the eta catalog,and was originally a mod done in India to the Hangzhou 6306,later picked up by the Asians,and used primarily in replica watches...this GMT mod is not reliable and parts if needed for repair down the road are hard to come by.
...I still like the looks of the Kalmar,enough to pre-order 1 with the eta 2824...
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.
Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.
Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.
With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.
BenLast edited on Sat Jul 9th, 2011 07:55 pm by TempestBen |
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.
Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.
Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.
With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.
Ben
Thanks for dropping in Ben!!! Please don't be a stranger! 
It's actually very refreshing to see you drop in here and share your long term vision for the Tempest Watch brand. As you can see, I'm very smitten with the design and design elements of your Viking. Really love the level of machining I see in your case design, and it certainly seems like doing a high quality ceramic lumed bezel is not easy (in fact, it seems like it can be all to easy to have issues with the lume adhering in the long term if not done properly).
No doubt there is an extreme amount of hard work involved with launching a successful new watch venture, and no doubt not everything will go as planned...it sure seems like you are in this for all the right reasons and trying to strike a good balance between quality and price.
Thanks again for stopping in...
|
Jeep99dad
3T WIS
|
Good to see you on 3T Ben. I like your watch alot, the case design is real cool, I love the profile in particular. I also really like the hands and bezel.
It's a beautiful watch, a bit pricey as we discussed. But it seems you are focused on putting out a high quality product. I wish you much success.
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?
Oscar, yes your right that I'm not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezel, high WR case, or killer designs but can you name another watch that is doing all three together?
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Every watches are differents and for different tastes. The ceramic bezel is showing up more and more on the market and will certainly replace totally most of bezel inserts very soon.
As the hardened mineral glass replaced the plexi and the sapphire crystal replaced the mineral on most productions...
People want it, watch-makers are coming with it.
There's also a high demand for high water-resistance cases lately and it shows also on the market.
All in all to say that the Viking model may have combined features that other micro-brands don't offer right now(I didn't check that...) but it's guaranteed to come very soon at not so high price.
Or how the huge Hong-Kong factories would survive in front of mondial technology advance and rushing market demand?
Now there's a bunch of ceramic bezels cheapos on the market but I didn't considerate them because of them lower water-resistance rate...
That said, I'm proud to break out my 3000th post!Last edited on Sun Jul 10th, 2011 07:47 am by Hammerfjord |
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?
Oscar, yes your right that I'm not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezel, high WR case, or killer designs but can you name another watch that is doing all three together? OK Ben, I'll play,just off the top of my head...Benarus did the 3 in the Remora last year(ceramic lume dial and bezel)...OWC 5517 Milsub...even Deep Blue did a ceramic lume bezel,WR and many considered all of these killer designs,since they all sold out...the list goes on...even rouhlena and helenarhou on the Bay are offering their replica cased designs with ceramic lumed bezels,at a fraction of your price...Benarus and Helson are also offering sapphire lumed bezels so once again you are not doing anything new,that we have not seen.
,...now please answer my question>What is your experience with watches?
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote: Every watches are differents and for different tastes. The ceramic bezel is showing up more and more on the market and will certainly replace totally most of bezel inserts very soon.
As the hardened mineral glass replaced the plexi and the sapphire crystal replaced the mineral on most productions...
People want it, watch-makers are coming with it.
There's also a high demand for high water-resistance cases lately and it shows also on the market.
All in all to say that the Viking model may have combined features that other micro-brands don't offer right now(I didn't check that...) but it's guaranteed to come very soon at not so high price.
Or how the huge Hong-Kong factories would survive in front of mondial technology advance and rushing market demand?
Now there's a bunch of ceramic bezels cheapos on the market but I didn't considerate them because of them lower water-resistance rate...
That said, I'm proud to break out my 3000th post! well said Will,and Congrats on 3000 posts!
...didn't the Swiss Made,Edox Class1 have a full ceramic bezel that was lumed?...it is also a killer design imo...
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: Every watches are differents and for different tastes. The ceramic bezel is showing up more and more on the market and will certainly replace totally most of bezel inserts very soon.
As the hardened mineral glass replaced the plexi and the sapphire crystal replaced the mineral on most productions...
People want it, watch-makers are coming with it.
There's also a high demand for high water-resistance cases lately and it shows also on the market.
All in all to say that the Viking model may have combined features that other micro-brands don't offer right now(I didn't check that...) but it's guaranteed to come very soon at not so high price.
Or how the huge Hong-Kong factories would survive in front of mondial technology advance and rushing market demand?
Now there's a bunch of ceramic bezels cheapos on the market but I didn't considerate them because of them lower water-resistance rate...
That said, I'm proud to break out my 3000th post! well said Will,and Congrats on 3000 posts!
...didn't the Swiss Made,Edox Class1 have a full ceramic bezel that was lumed?...it is also a killer design imo...
Sh't up Oscar, I'm so f*ck'n green that I ordered it for my friend and not MYSELF!!! Yes, the bezel is ceramic: FULL ceramic...Not only the insert side but actually a full bock of ceramic with lume on the top.
I can't believe that it was the last one for 1000 buks, now each time I open my safe and see it, I cry!
He better get married very fast before I decide to keep it for my own face
And thanks! Been a pleasure to be there those last years and I'm definitly keeping around
And by the way, just to prove that I don't BS around: http://cgi.ebay.com/Edox-Class-1-Date-Automatic-Self-Winding-45mm-Watch-NEW-/110704640912?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item19c682c390#ht_4950wt_1206
Thanks to Oscar who grabed it for me: You are the man!Last edited on Sun Jul 10th, 2011 08:09 am by Hammerfjord |
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote: oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: Every watches are differents and for different tastes. The ceramic bezel is showing up more and more on the market and will certainly replace totally most of bezel inserts very soon.
As the hardened mineral glass replaced the plexi and the sapphire crystal replaced the mineral on most productions...
People want it, watch-makers are coming with it.
There's also a high demand for high water-resistance cases lately and it shows also on the market.
All in all to say that the Viking model may have combined features that other micro-brands don't offer right now(I didn't check that...) but it's guaranteed to come very soon at not so high price.
Or how the huge Hong-Kong factories would survive in front of mondial technology advance and rushing market demand?
Now there's a bunch of ceramic bezels cheapos on the market but I didn't considerate them because of them lower water-resistance rate...
That said, I'm proud to break out my 3000th post! well said Will,and Congrats on 3000 posts!
...didn't the Swiss Made,Edox Class1 have a full ceramic bezel that was lumed?...it is also a killer design imo...
Sh't up Oscar, I'm so f*ck'n green that I ordered it for my friend and not MYSELF!!! Yes, the bezel is ceramic: FULL ceramic...Not only the insert side but actually a full bock of ceramic with lume on the top.
I can't believe that it was the last one for 1000 buks, now each time I open my safe and see it, I cry!
He better get married very fast before I decide to keep it for my own face
And thanks! Been a pleasure to be there those last years and I'm definitly keeping around
And by the way, just to prove that I don't BS around: http://cgi.ebay.com/Edox-Class-1-Date-Automatic-Self-Winding-45mm-Watch-NEW-/110704640912?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item19c682c390#ht_4950wt_1206
Thanks to Oscar who grabed it for me: You are the man! TY Will,but you don't know how much I wanted to keep it too Buddy!...you know the USPS is not that good at making shipments overseas,anything can happen!
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: oagaspar wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: Every watches are differents and for different tastes. The ceramic bezel is showing up more and more on the market and will certainly replace totally most of bezel inserts very soon.
As the hardened mineral glass replaced the plexi and the sapphire crystal replaced the mineral on most productions...
People want it, watch-makers are coming with it.
There's also a high demand for high water-resistance cases lately and it shows also on the market.
All in all to say that the Viking model may have combined features that other micro-brands don't offer right now(I didn't check that...) but it's guaranteed to come very soon at not so high price.
Or how the huge Hong-Kong factories would survive in front of mondial technology advance and rushing market demand?
Now there's a bunch of ceramic bezels cheapos on the market but I didn't considerate them because of them lower water-resistance rate...
That said, I'm proud to break out my 3000th post! well said Will,and Congrats on 3000 posts!
...didn't the Swiss Made,Edox Class1 have a full ceramic bezel that was lumed?...it is also a killer design imo...
Sh't up Oscar, I'm so f*ck'n green that I ordered it for my friend and not MYSELF!!! Yes, the bezel is ceramic: FULL ceramic...Not only the insert side but actually a full bock of ceramic with lume on the top.
I can't believe that it was the last one for 1000 buks, now each time I open my safe and see it, I cry!
He better get married very fast before I decide to keep it for my own face
And thanks! Been a pleasure to be there those last years and I'm definitly keeping around
And by the way, just to prove that I don't BS around: http://cgi.ebay.com/Edox-Class-1-Date-Automatic-Self-Winding-45mm-Watch-NEW-/110704640912?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item19c682c390#ht_4950wt_1206
Thanks to Oscar who grabed it for me: You are the man! TY Will,but you don't know how much I wanted to keep it too Buddy!...you know the USPS is not that good at making shipments overseas,anything can happen!
Seems like I've been twice lucky and not even profiting from it once! You like to rub this Edox in my face huh?
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TY Will,but you don't know how much I wanted to keep it too Buddy!...you know the USPS is not that good at making shipments overseas,anything can happen!
Seems like I've been twice lucky and not even profiting from it once! You like to rub this Edox in my face huh?
no rubbing here Will....your friend will be doing the rubbing when he gets the Edox as a wedding gift from his wife!
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
TY Will,but you don't know how much I wanted to keep it too Buddy!...you know the USPS is not that good at making shipments overseas,anything can happen!
Seems like I've been twice lucky and not even profiting from it once! You like to rub this Edox in my face huh?
no rubbing here Will....your friend will be doing the rubbing when he gets the Edox as a wedding gift from his wife!
Hehe,I know he will! I rubbed enough my Alpina Regulator Manufacture in his own!
But I don't care: Soon I will rub his so hard that it will look like a moon face
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?
Oscar, yes your right that I'm not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezel, high WR case, or killer designs but can you name another watch that is doing all three together? OK Ben, I'll play,just off the top of my head...Benarus did the 3 in the Remora last year(ceramic lume dial and bezel)...OWC 5517 Milsub...even Deep Blue did a ceramic lume bezel,WR and many considered all of these killer designs,since they all sold out...the list goes on...even rouhlena and helenarhou on the Bay are offering their replica cased designs with ceramic lumed bezels,at a fraction of your price...Benarus and Helson are also offering sapphire lumed bezels so once again you are not doing anything new,that we have not seen.
,...now please answer my question>What is your experience with watches?
Oscar, Deep Blue does have a ceramic bezel but its not lumed. The other, really depends what you consider high WR cases...The ones you mentioned have have a maximum of 500M WR. Anyways this point is not important.
To answer your question about my experience with watches I have been an avid collector for many years. With my partners years of combined experince in collecting, design and watchmaking.
|
Paxman
3T WIS
|
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.
Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.
Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.
With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.
Ben
Best of luck in your endeavor Ben. I just have to chime in and make the point many see DEMO for what he is... a shill. Hopefully he won't sell off your watch in a few weeks and set the secondary market value too low.
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?
Oscar, yes your right that I'm not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezel, high WR case, or killer designs but can you name another watch that is doing all three together? OK Ben, I'll play,just off the top of my head...Benarus did the 3 in the Remora last year(ceramic lume dial and bezel)...OWC 5517 Milsub...even Deep Blue did a ceramic lume bezel,WR and many considered all of these killer designs,since they all sold out...the list goes on...even rouhlena and helenarhou on the Bay are offering their replica cased designs with ceramic lumed bezels,at a fraction of your price...Benarus and Helson are also offering sapphire lumed bezels so once again you are not doing anything new,that we have not seen.
,...now please answer my question>What is your experience with watches?
Oscar, Deep Blue does have a ceramic bezel but its not lumed. The other, really depends what you consider high WR cases...The ones you mentioned have have a maximum of 500M WR. Anyways this point is not important.
To answer your question about my experience with watches I have been an avid collector for many years. With my partners years of combined experince in collecting, design and watchmaking. you're right Ben,it's not important,but it seemed to be important to you...maybe you can share some pics of your collection,and what watches your partners or you have produced in the past...these would be good things to know,and can only be a positive towards your success with Tempest Watch imo.
...especially in a market that is being flooded by micro brands, all looking to the forums, in order to sell their wares...in todays market it is as important to review the owner/owners of a micro as it is the watch,and that is only if the reviewer is truly unbiased and is not motivated by a free watch.
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Paxman wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.
Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.
Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.
With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.
Ben
Best of luck in your endeavor Ben. I just have to chime in and make the point many see DEMO for what he is... a shill. Hopefully he won't sell off your watch in a few weeks and set the secondary market value too low.
Paxman, have you seen DEMO's collection? Its quite something, I drool everytime I see the photos. I would not be too worried about DEMO selling my watch.
Just because DEMO takes awesome pictures and writes his opinions about a watch, its really not fair to call him a shill. Let me ask you this do you not agree with any of the comments he's made for any of his reviews? His reviews are from his point of view and not biased at all. DEMO is a good guy.
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: Paxman wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.
Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.
Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.
With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.
Ben
Best of luck in your endeavor Ben. I just have to chime in and make the point many see DEMO for what he is... a shill. Hopefully he won't sell off your watch in a few weeks and set the secondary market value too low.
Paxman, have you seen DEMO's collection? Its quite something, I drool everytime I see the photos. I would not be too worried about DEMO selling my watch.
Just because DEMO takes awesome pictures and writes his opinions about a watch, its really not fair to call him a shill. Let me ask you this do you not agree with any of the comments he's made for any of his reviews? His reviews are from his point of view and not biased at all. DEMO is a good guy. you are so full of BS if you believe anything you just tried to convince us of...if this is the kind of person you want as a front man,someone who is known to do favorable reviews for free watches...then please go back to WUS!
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?
Oscar, yes your right that I'm not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezel, high WR case, or killer designs but can you name another watch that is doing all three together? OK Ben, I'll play,just off the top of my head...Benarus did the 3 in the Remora last year(ceramic lume dial and bezel)...OWC 5517 Milsub...even Deep Blue did a ceramic lume bezel,WR and many considered all of these killer designs,since they all sold out...the list goes on...even rouhlena and helenarhou on the Bay are offering their replica cased designs with ceramic lumed bezels,at a fraction of your price...Benarus and Helson are also offering sapphire lumed bezels so once again you are not doing anything new,that we have not seen.
,...now please answer my question>What is your experience with watches?
Oscar, Deep Blue does have a ceramic bezel but its not lumed. The other, really depends what you consider high WR cases...The ones you mentioned have have a maximum of 500M WR. Anyways this point is not important.
To answer your question about my experience with watches I have been an avid collector for many years. With my partners years of combined experince in collecting, design and watchmaking. you're right Ben,it's not important,but it seemed to be important to you...maybe you can share some pics of your collection,and what watches your partners or you have produced in the past...these would be good things to know,and can only be a positive towards your success with Tempest Watch imo.
...especially in a market that is being flooded by micro brands, all looking to the forums, in order to sell their wares...in todays market it is as important to review the owner/owners of a micro as it is the watch,and that is only if the reviewer is truly unbiased and is not motivated by a free watch.
Hi Oscar, I would love to share my collection with you guys. I will put all the watches I personally owned onto one picture to make it easy. But you'll have to give me some time to put it together (its currently 6:25AM here)
There are NDA agreements which prevents us from disclosing any details.
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Paxman wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.
Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.
Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.
With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.
Ben
Best of luck in your endeavor Ben. I just have to chime in and make the point many see DEMO for what he is... a shill. Hopefully he won't sell off your watch in a few weeks and set the secondary market value too low.
Paxman, have you seen DEMO's collection? Its quite something, I drool everytime I see the photos. I would not be too worried about DEMO selling my watch.
Just because DEMO takes awesome pictures and writes his opinions about a watch, its really not fair to call him a shill. Let me ask you this do you not agree with any of the comments he's made for any of his reviews? His reviews are from his point of view and not biased at all. DEMO is a good guy. you are so full of BS if you believe anything you just tried to convince us of...if this is the kind of person you want as a front man,someone who is known to do favorable reviews for free watches...than please go back to WUS!
Just to let you guys know, Demo is not getting a free watch in fact, he has not asked for any kind of money in return. He has kindly offered to help out of this interest for the Viking and good will.
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html Ben...we want to believe you...
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....
That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!
And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?
And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.
That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote: TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....
That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!
And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?
And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.
That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...
William...all good points, and I agree these would be the things a WIS would want to know about a production model piece...but, remember the only thing that exists right now from Tempest are a few PROTOTYPE watches which already have a number of known issues that need to be sorted out in the production run.
...I'm just sayin'...
You guys are being tough on Ben from Tempest (and well...that's just fine by me...I fully understand that a WIS must have a high level of skepticism when considering an unproven, new venture). The more information a watch builder can give his watch buying public, the better (but, Forums can be a challenging environment...I've seen the BIG NAMES really alienate forum goers...step on their own #@%* with the information that is given...).
Ultimately, a watch manufacturer is going to live or die by the end product that is turned out. Screw it up and be exposed for turning out a second rate product with horrible customer service...manufacture a winner with top notch customer service, and well...I think the success and failure of recent micro-brands pretty much tells the story! (all IMO)...
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
stew77 wrote:
Hammerfjord wrote: TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....
That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!
And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?
And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.
That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...
William...all good points, and I agree these would be the things a WIS would want to know about a production model piece...but, remember the only thing that exists right now from Tempest are a few PROTOTYPE watches which already have a number of known issues that need to be sorted out in the production run.
...I'm just sayin'...
You guys are being tough on Ben from Tempest (and well...that's just fine by me...I fully understand that a WIS must have a high level of skepticism when considering an unproven, new venture). The more information a watch builder can give his watch buying public, the better (but, Forums can be a challenging environment...I've seen the BIG NAMES really alienate forum goers...step on their own #@%* with the information that is given...).
Ultimately, a watch manufacturer is going to live or die by the end product that is turned out. Screw it up and be exposed for turning out a second rate product with horrible customer service...manufacture a winner with top notch customer service, and well...I think the success and failure of recent micro-brands pretty much tells the story! (all IMO)...
Common Chris: You know as much as we all do that 99% of all those questions could be answered from now just by holding the watch and getting a constructive chat with Ben.
About the lume, the crystal, weight, bracelet and all that: I doubt that the proto, don't have any ratchet allready and Ben could name up some of those features if they should be ameliorated.
The modifications on the prototype are allready named (crown guard and bezel marking...) and the movement are told to be in the box so Ben also knows what they are made off.
Nobody is getting hardcore here: The guy from Oceanic.T could have come with so much more details and you know that: Or what was the point of this first presentation? Showing pictures we allready seen?
I'm trying to be pragmatic here and I keep to the facts: I don't have any secret holy-war going on toward Ben at all and he certainly understand my curiosity.
I've been as this curious with Benarus and Kazimon from who I bought a watch and they answered my questions without an eye-blink.
Ben or someone else from Tempest allready stated openly on Facebook : "The case blanks are first made in China. Then the blanks are shipped to Switzerland for final finishing and assembly. This is exactly the same practice for alot of big brands"
What I found very honest and a good start as what we call "beeing transparent" but if so, it should not be difficult to explain the rest, as Ben now lives in Hong-Kong and if he will get the watches shipped back again to him for final inspection for exemple...?
Or will they be shipped from Switzerland? Because sending blanks from H.K to Switz, and back to H.K seems a bit fastidious...
Because that's things we all wonder about: Even yourself.
Let's say that it would contribute to promote Tempest in the right way and prepare a good launching!
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
bottom line:
cases are stamped in HK,
watches are made in HK, = Made in Swiss!
Ben lives in HK
I'm not saying the Tempest will not be a great watch,it has a ton of wrist appeal imo,just that it's true origins should be disclosed.I am sure many more WIS would buy this watch at under $1000. knowing it was Made in China,rather than over $1000., thinking it was Swiss Made.
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Hammerfjord wrote:
TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....
That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!
And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?
And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.
That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...
Sorry for the delay guys, I will try answer all your questions one post...
Lug screw system are high quality solid hex screws…Will post some pictures on our FB page
Lume is C3 and yes it is quite bright and quite long lasting. Again there are pictures of the lume so check them out
I don’t have a weigh but will try to find a scale to get a approx. weight for you guys. Check out post on “the other forum”, there is a thread with thoughts on the Viking with very nice pictures with a wrist shot.
I have not timed this sample as this is only a sample with an off the shelf ETA 2824, hence why the white date wheel (will be black for production).
Bezel rachet’s clicks very smooth with absolutely no play. Requires just the right amount of force to turn, ie. Not too stiff and not to soft.
Anti-Reflective coating on inside only. Looks good to me in the sun.
It was originally planned for domed crystal but the flat crystal compliments the watch so much more we stuck with the flat crystal.
The movement was specifically positioned as low as possible in the case in order to improve the center of gravity so the watch is not top heavy.
The screws were made slightly too long on the prototype as can be seen in the photos but will be flush for the production pieces
The insides of the recesses have a bead blasted finish so the dust and crap should not stick (unless the watch gets wet of course)
Crown guard do not have a problem with digging in the wrist but the we found that the crown did at certain extreme angles. So we add a bevel to the outter edge of the crown so it increase the amount of clearance for your wrist so its comfortable.
Yes real DLC
It is correct that the watch cases will be machined in
China, sent to Swiss for finish finishing and assembly. I have been very clear and transparent about this from the very start. Regulation will be done in Swiss and WR testing to be done with finished watches (not empty cases) back in Hong Kong. I will try to get some pictures of the movements to prove the movements are top grade but they are on order so they won’t be ready for quite some time.
And to answer Oscars post, I will have documentation to prove of its “made in Swiss” origins.
We plan to design and release many more watches in the future so there would be absolutely no value for us to be dishonest about anything.
Ben
|
Jeep99dad
3T WIS
|
Ben
Thank you for all the answers.
So the case (other parts?) will go from China to Swizterland for assembly and regulation, then the watch will be shipped BACK to Asia for WR testing? Then more QC there? By you or manufacturer? Then when they are all finished and tested and QC'd you (?) will ship them to clients from HK?
I personally prefer flat crystal unlike many others. I think the Preorder price is high and passing that 1k is like crossing a psychological barrier in WIS' minds. Also many don't wear bracelet and will go straight to rubber or custom leather, it may be helpful to offer a strap only at a significant discount under that 1k barrier to appeal to more WIS.
Thanks again for taking the time to answer all questions.
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Here are all the points the watch gets QC.
1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers
We want to make sure we offer a quality product.
I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.
Ben
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: Here are all the points the watch gets QC.
1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers
We want to make sure we offer a quality product.
I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.
Ben sounds like the cart is in front of the horse?...
if it was so important to have your watches Swiss Made,why not contract a Swiss manufacturer who outsources components to China?...why not use Fricker...they have a outsource service to fit the budget of the client if you wanted to have a watch with Asian components?
...wouldn't it have been simpler and more cost effective to just have a Made in HK production?...we could have all saved... by what is being produced by your competition,and those of us who own them,I would say we are very satisfied with the end results.
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote: TempestBen wrote: Here are all the points the watch gets QC.
1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers
We want to make sure we offer a quality product.
I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.
Ben sounds like the cart is in front of the horse?...
if it was so important to have your watches Swiss Made,why not contract a Swiss manufacturer who outsources components to China?...why not use Fricker...they have a outsource service to fit the budget of the client if you wanted to have a watch with Asian components?
...wouldn't it have been simpler and more cost effective to just have a Made in HK production?...we could have all saved... by what is being produced by your competition,and those of us who own them,I would say we are very satisfied with the end results.
I have to agree with Oscar's comments here.
I don't doubt that these QC gates will result in a quality piece Ben (especially since you are personally driven to make sure everything is done with excellence on the final product).
But, these type of production and final inspection steps have me scratching my head a bit at the 'Swiss Made' stamp, and the true value that the end customer is getting by manufacturing this way...
|
TempestBen
3T WIS
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2010 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 12 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Here are all the points the watch gets QC.
1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers
We want to make sure we offer a quality product.
I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.
Ben sounds like the cart is in front of the horse?...
if it was so important to have your watches Swiss Made,why not contract a Swiss manufacturer who outsources components to China?...why not use Fricker...they have a outsource service to fit the budget of the client if you wanted to have a watch with Asian components?
...wouldn't it have been simpler and more cost effective to just have a Made in HK production?...we could have all saved... by what is being produced by your competition,and those of us who own them,I would say we are very satisfied with the end results.
Oscar, we have it this way so we have control over who actually makes our cases and ultimately we can have better control of the production. I have lived here long enough to hear horror stories of China production (not only watches) that have gone totally wrong. Why not pay a little bit more but sleep better at night knowing it gets assembled by the Swiss who are known for their watches and understands them.
Anyways if you have any further questions please email me.
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Well Ben, I would say that you answered to most of it: Thanks for you time!
Too bad that DEMO didn't get through this process by himself, seems like he's only interested by the surface of things...
As Brice said, breaking the 1000 buks wall makes it less interesting for many...
You approach the 1500$ range and it get very close to the 100% inhouse German production with top standards such as Kazimon.
You should also considerate Brice's idea without bracelet and lower price.
There's a lot of watches to get at this price and we don't need it specialy to be rated with so high water-resistance. Anyway, the Viking looks good and massive: This I like.
But personnaly, I prefer to go for a great deal like I did for the Edox named earlyer(housing a chrono-grade 2892-2) instead of paying full price from the very start for a micro-brand...Just my choice.
Good luck!
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
stew77 wrote:
oagaspar wrote: TempestBen wrote: Here are all the points the watch gets QC.
1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers
We want to make sure we offer a quality product.
I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.
Ben sounds like the cart is in front of the horse?...
if it was so important to have your watches Swiss Made,why not contract a Swiss manufacturer who outsources components to China?...why not use Fricker...they have a outsource service to fit the budget of the client if you wanted to have a watch with Asian components?
...wouldn't it have been simpler and more cost effective to just have a Made in HK production?...we could have all saved... by what is being produced by your competition,and those of us who own them,I would say we are very satisfied with the end results.
I have to agree with Oscar's comments here.
I don't doubt that these QC gates will result in a quality piece Ben (especially since you are personally driven to make sure everything is done with excellence on the final product).
But, these type of production and final inspection steps have me scratching my head a bit at the 'Swiss Made' stamp, and the true value that the end customer is getting by manufacturing this way...
I can agree on that but on another way, if Ben feels better this way as he maybe get a sharper control by beeing in close contact and in person around the factory in Hong-Kong...Why not.
But as you say guys, then the price can get higher than expected and repulse some WIS like me for exemple...
Maybe Ben will change strategy next time, who knows...
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Here are all the points the watch gets QC.
1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers
We want to make sure we offer a quality product.
I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.
Ben sounds like the cart is in front of the horse?...
if it was so important to have your watches Swiss Made,why not contract a Swiss manufacturer who outsources components to China?...why not use Fricker...they have a outsource service to fit the budget of the client if you wanted to have a watch with Asian components?
...wouldn't it have been simpler and more cost effective to just have a Made in HK production?...we could have all saved... by what is being produced by your competition,and those of us who own them,I would say we are very satisfied with the end results.
Oscar, we have it this way so we have control over who actually makes our cases and ultimately we can have better control of the production. I have lived here long enough to hear horror stories of China production (not only watches) that have gone totally wrong. Why not pay a little bit more but sleep better at night knowing it gets assembled by the Swiss who are known for their watches and understands them.
Anyways if you have any further questions please email me. my final questions Ben: if you are so confident in the Swiss assembly and QC...then why ship them back to China for final QC and WR Testing, knowing all these horror stories?...are all the components of your watch made in China...bracelet etc., did your prototype go through the entire process you named above,are you even sure you can source eta movements,as I have heard you can not?...and finally were all these services provided through the Chinese manufacturer.
|
joecb
3T WIS
|
all I have to say is; This has been a very enlightening thread.... some great exchanges here, and some real watch knowledge being displayed buy 3T, Oscar and Will. I would give great credit to Ben of Tempest to come on 3T to defend his product and he obviously show great passion for what he is doing, and I think it will come through in his product.
As for his design, I do like it very much. the case design as Stew pointed out does have similarities to others, but when you see the profile, it has some very unique curves and the dial and bezel look fantastic. But I have to agree on the price being steep for an HK watch, even though you are using Swiss assembly, it is and will be an Asian built watch.
There are many, as stated, like Deep Blue that are making similar and cheaper versions, Deep blue just released a 3000m Wr with a sapphire bezel for around $660.00 .
I also really like the Kalmer, design, and had seen them before, but fell off my radar, (quickly distracted by all the new watches) and have a new interest again in them as the price is right, especially for a Ti design, and alot of custom offerings..
Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing your finished product.Last edited on Mon Jul 11th, 2011 05:32 pm by joecb |
Paxman
3T WIS
|
I have a couple points beyond going the route of putting the watch into a shill's hands to start the hype and get some quality pix... I never do understand these superficial reviews. I understand they are meant to bolster sales but they are usually rather vapid and applicable from one watch to the other.
As stated by others given the somewhat convoluted origins of the watch (frankly I couldn't bother to follow the trail) I would contend the asking price is a tad on the high side. Of course we see other micor brands with more obvious HK origins asking this type of money so I guess all is fair. However, given a choice between paying a few hundred dollars more for a true Swiss watch with verifiable provenance, I would almost always go for the sure thing unless the design just blew my mind. Which brings me to my next point.
This appears to be another of what I call the HEAVY DIVERS, albeit with some interesting machining on the case sides and a different crown guard. The lumed ceramic bezel is a nice touch but beyond that the dial design and hands set don't speak to me personally.
And then I wonder why Ben would even care what anyone at 3T would think of his venture. Just ask anyone on the other watch forums. We're nothing more than a bunch of crackpots. So rest assured our opinions means nothing. I mean really, many of us actually like Orsa watches!
Rather be a free thinking crackpot than a sheep or kool-aid drinker.
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Paxman wrote:
I have a couple points beyond going the route of putting the watch into a shill's hands to start the hype and get some quality pix... I never do understand these superficial reviews. I understand they are meant to bolster sales but they are usually rather vapid and applicable from one watch to the other.
As stated by others given the somewhat convoluted origins of the watch (frankly I couldn't bother to follow the trail) I would contend the asking price is a tad on the high side. Of course we see other micor brands with more obvious HK origins asking this type of money so I guess all is fair. However, given a choice between paying a few hundred dollars more for a true Swiss watch with verifiable provenance, I would almost always go for the sure thing unless the design just blew my mind. Which brings me to my next point.
This appears to be another of what I call the HEAVY DIVERS, albeit with some interesting machining on the case sides and a different crown guard. The lumed ceramic bezel is a nice touch but beyond that the dial design and hands set don't speak to me personally.
And then I wonder why Ben would even care what anyone at 3T would think of his venture. Just ask anyone on the other watch forums. We're nothing more than a bunch of crackpots. So rest assured our opinions means nothing. I mean really, many of us actually like Orsa watches!
Rather be a free thinking crackpot than a sheep or kool-aid drinker.
I couldn't piss more on those sorry asses who would call me a crackpot because I hang around here instead of growing slowly crack-hairs on the most visited watch-forum...
I see so much butt-licking on those places that I never felt like even beeing a member under another nick...
Most of them could buy a seagull-crap mounted on bracelet just because it's written a popular name on it, so how could they give any lesson on wise economic choices in watches?
Oh, maybe because them own friends are allways there to pay a good price for those used seagull-craps...That must be it.
PS: Excuse my vulgarity but I don't work in offices so I never learned how to speak under my elbow...
|
joecb
3T WIS
|
Hammerfjord wrote: Paxman wrote:
I have a couple points beyond going the route of putting the watch into a shill's hands to start the hype and get some quality pix... I never do understand these superficial reviews. I understand they are meant to bolster sales but they are usually rather vapid and applicable from one watch to the other.
As stated by others given the somewhat convoluted origins of the watch (frankly I couldn't bother to follow the trail) I would contend the asking price is a tad on the high side. Of course we see other micor brands with more obvious HK origins asking this type of money so I guess all is fair. However, given a choice between paying a few hundred dollars more for a true Swiss watch with verifiable provenance, I would almost always go for the sure thing unless the design just blew my mind. Which brings me to my next point.
This appears to be another of what I call the HEAVY DIVERS, albeit with some interesting machining on the case sides and a different crown guard. The lumed ceramic bezel is a nice touch but beyond that the dial design and hands set don't speak to me personally.
And then I wonder why Ben would even care what anyone at 3T would think of his venture. Just ask anyone on the other watch forums. We're nothing more than a bunch of crackpots. So rest assured our opinions means nothing. I mean really, many of us actually like Orsa watches!
Rather be a free thinking crackpot than a sheep or kool-aid drinker.
I couldn't piss more on those sorry asses who would call me a crackpot because I hang around here instead of growing slowly crack-hairs on the most visited watch-forum...
I see so much butt-licking on those places that I never felt like even beeing a member under another nick...
Most of them could buy a seagull-crap mounted on bracelet just because it's written a popular name on it, so how could they give any lesson on wise economic choices in watches?
Oh, maybe because them own friends are allways there to pay a good price for those used seagull-craps...That must be it.
PS: Excuse my vulgarity but I don't work in offices so I never learned how to speak under my elbow...
YEAH!!!! what he said!!!
|
Paxman
3T WIS
|
Hammerfjord wrote: Paxman wrote:
I have a couple points beyond going the route of putting the watch into a shill's hands to start the hype and get some quality pix... I never do understand these superficial reviews. I understand they are meant to bolster sales but they are usually rather vapid and applicable from one watch to the other.
As stated by others given the somewhat convoluted origins of the watch (frankly I couldn't bother to follow the trail) I would contend the asking price is a tad on the high side. Of course we see other micor brands with more obvious HK origins asking this type of money so I guess all is fair. However, given a choice between paying a few hundred dollars more for a true Swiss watch with verifiable provenance, I would almost always go for the sure thing unless the design just blew my mind. Which brings me to my next point.
This appears to be another of what I call the HEAVY DIVERS, albeit with some interesting machining on the case sides and a different crown guard. The lumed ceramic bezel is a nice touch but beyond that the dial design and hands set don't speak to me personally.
And then I wonder why Ben would even care what anyone at 3T would think of his venture. Just ask anyone on the other watch forums. We're nothing more than a bunch of crackpots. So rest assured our opinions means nothing. I mean really, many of us actually like Orsa watches!
Rather be a free thinking crackpot than a sheep or kool-aid drinker.
I couldn't piss more on those sorry asses who would call me a crackpot because I hang around here instead of growing slowly crack-hairs on the most visited watch-forum...
I see so much butt-licking on those places that I never felt like even beeing a member under another nick...
Most of them could buy a seagull-crap mounted on bracelet just because it's written a popular name on it, so how could they give any lesson on wise economic choices in watches?
Oh, maybe because them own friends are allways there to pay a good price for those used seagull-craps...That must be it.
PS: Excuse my vulgarity but I don't work in offices so I never learned how to speak under my elbow...
Well put my friend. You are our true Viking sheriff!
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
 Thank you guys! Just had to let it out...
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
well said Gentleman crackpots!
...like most everyone,I too like the case sides and crown guards,but then ,who doesn't like Richard Mille!...or Omega style cases...Longines dials...when you take the time to look,it's just another cookie cutter, in a pool that is over flowing with a wide variety of choices.
Attachment: Richard-Mille-RM-028-Diver-Watch.jpg (Downloaded 122 times)
|
Jeep99dad
3T WIS
|
Hammerfjord wrote:
Paxman wrote:
I have a couple points beyond going the route of putting the watch into a shill's hands to start the hype and get some quality pix... I never do understand these superficial reviews. I understand they are meant to bolster sales but they are usually rather vapid and applicable from one watch to the other.
As stated by others given the somewhat convoluted origins of the watch (frankly I couldn't bother to follow the trail) I would contend the asking price is a tad on the high side. Of course we see other micor brands with more obvious HK origins asking this type of money so I guess all is fair. However, given a choice between paying a few hundred dollars more for a true Swiss watch with verifiable provenance, I would almost always go for the sure thing unless the design just blew my mind. Which brings me to my next point.
This appears to be another of what I call the HEAVY DIVERS, albeit with some interesting machining on the case sides and a different crown guard. The lumed ceramic bezel is a nice touch but beyond that the dial design and hands set don't speak to me personally.
And then I wonder why Ben would even care what anyone at 3T would think of his venture. Just ask anyone on the other watch forums. We're nothing more than a bunch of crackpots. So rest assured our opinions means nothing. I mean really, many of us actually like Orsa watches!
Rather be a free thinking crackpot than a sheep or kool-aid drinker.
I couldn't piss more on those sorry asses who would call me a crackpot because I hang around here instead of growing slowly crack-hairs on the most visited watch-forum...
I see so much butt-licking on those places that I never felt like even beeing a member under another nick...
Most of them could buy a seagull-crap mounted on bracelet just because it's written a popular name on it, so how could they give any lesson on wise economic choices in watches?
Oh, maybe because them own friends are allways there to pay a good price for those used seagull-craps...That must be it.
PS: Excuse my vulgarity but I don't work in offices so I never learned how to speak under my elbow...
 I think you speak very well... Fluent!!!
I love reading your posts
|
Hammerfjord
Moderator
| Joined: | Thu Apr 16th, 2009 |
| Location: | Arctic, Norway |
| Posts: | 5821 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
oagaspar wrote:
well said Gentleman crackpots!
...like most everyone,I too like the case sides and crown guards,but then ,who doesn't like Richard Mille!...or Omega style cases...Longines dials...when you take the time to look,it's just another cookie cutter, in a pool that is over flowing with a wide variety of choices.
Same crown guards yeah...
Well, I never expected the Tempest to be a breakthrough in design either: It remembered me a bit to much of the DSSD in the raw lines...
Anyway, it's not easy to come up with something totally unknown except if you really dare to present some risky project.
|
Tony Duronio
3T WIS
|
Paxman wrote: I have a couple points beyond going the route of putting the watch into a shill's hands to start the hype and get some quality pix... I never do understand these superficial reviews. I understand they are meant to bolster sales but they are usually rather vapid and applicable from one watch to the other.
As stated by others given the somewhat convoluted origins of the watch (frankly I couldn't bother to follow the trail) I would contend the asking price is a tad on the high side. Of course we see other micor brands with more obvious HK origins asking this type of money so I guess all is fair. However, given a choice between paying a few hundred dollars more for a true Swiss watch with verifiable provenance, I would almost always go for the sure thing unless the design just blew my mind. Which brings me to my next point.
This appears to be another of what I call the HEAVY DIVERS, albeit with some interesting machining on the case sides and a different crown guard. The lumed ceramic bezel is a nice touch but beyond that the dial design and hands set don't speak to me personally.
And then I wonder why Ben would even care what anyone at 3T would think of his venture. Just ask anyone on the other watch forums. We're nothing more than a bunch of crackpots. So rest assured our opinions means nothing. I mean really, many of us actually like Orsa watches!
Rather be a free thinking crackpot than a sheep or kool-aid drinker.
Well said Mark...wish you would have posted sooner, might have saved a ton of bandwidth space and wasted conversation. JMHO of course
|
Paxman
3T WIS
|
Tony I wanted to see where this was gonna head before chiming in.
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
I'm still trying to figure out why many of my threads generate so much bandwidth!!!???
I guess a real rookie post like mine can often generate lively discussion...always nice to glean some new insights based on the extensive experience of fellow 3T'ers.
|
Tony Duronio
3T WIS
|
stew77 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why many of my threads generate so much bandwidth!!!???
I guess a real rookie post like mine can often generate lively discussion...always nice to glean some new insights based on the extensive experience of fellow 3T'ers.
Chris,
First off, you are far from a rookie, second, this was in no
way a knock on your post, please do not think that. It's just that after the first few posts IMHO opinions and a mind set about this watch were already formed, the rest was just a pissing match. Again, that was just my take, and maybe I know nothing about watches
|
oagaspar
Site Founder
| Joined: | Sun Sep 4th, 2005 |
| Location: | Akron, USA |
| Posts: | 28138 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
agree with Tony...you are no way a noob Chris!...someone was bound to post something about Tempest...knowing it was you,assures me it wasn't a back door entry...
... a pissing match sounds about right... one like: "how dumb are these guys" vs "we're not as dumb as you thought"
|
Paxman
3T WIS
|
Tony Duronio wrote: stew77 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why many of my threads generate so much bandwidth!!!???
I guess a real rookie post like mine can often generate lively discussion...always nice to glean some new insights based on the extensive experience of fellow 3T'ers.
Chris,
First off, you are far from a rookie, second, this was in no
way a knock on your post, please do not think that. It's just that after the first few posts IMHO opinions and a mind set about this watch were already formed, the rest was just a pissing match. Again, that was just my take, and maybe I know nothing about watches
What he said, Chris.
|
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Tony Duronio wrote: stew77 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why many of my threads generate so much bandwidth!!!???
I guess a real rookie post like mine can often generate lively discussion...always nice to glean some new insights based on the extensive experience of fellow 3T'ers.
Chris,
First off, you are far from a rookie, second, this was in no
way a knock on your post, please do not think that. It's just that after the first few posts IMHO opinions and a mind set about this watch were already formed, the rest was just a pissing match. Again, that was just my take, and maybe I know nothing about watches
oagaspar wrote: agree with Tony...you are no way a noob Chris!...someone was bound to post something about Tempest...knowing it was you,assures me it wasn't a back door entry...
... a pissing match sounds about right... one like: "how dumb are these guys" vs "we're not as dumb as you thought"
Hey, thanks Tony and Oscar and Mark.......and no worries, I did not interpret the comments as a knock against my post at all (totally understand your perspective on this one too)......for sure.
Before I post, I'm definitely asking myself...someone else has got to be pondering or thinking about this one too...always great to get a different perspective on an aspect of the world of WIS!
Last edited on Tue Jul 12th, 2011 01:19 pm by stew77 |
stew77
Admin
| Joined: | Thu Mar 26th, 2009 |
| Location: | Colorado USA |
| Posts: | 10251 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
I would also add and give props to Ben at Tempest Watches for the much more detailed information on the Viking supplied in this thread.
I do believe he wants to produce a quality piece for his venture which leads to more quality pieces as well, even if I still scratch my head at the approach given the desire to produce a swiss made piece (no horse beating intended here guys).
This is information that I have seen no where else but here, and frankly better to be an informed WIS than a drinker of the kool-aid...no matter what flavor you prefer.
|
joecb
3T WIS
|
And that is why I hang around here with you guys, no BS, and straight talk about what is really what with a product... Thanks for tolerating me... (god know my wife can't or my officers, or bosses, or kids, dogs, etc.....)
|
