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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 11:00 am

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Scenario: A PFC is walking down the road to a porta potty and is confronted with a 10-year old boy in enemy territory pointing a gun at him.

1. The soldier will request permission to fire from his platoon sergeant.

2. The platoon sergeant will ask the platoon leader.

3. The platoon leader will ask the company commander. The CO will call the battalion commander and ask for permission to fire.

4. The Bn Cdr will call the Bde Cdr to get permission to fire.

5. The Bde Cdr will call division and speak to a person in the G3 shop.

6. The G3 personnel will immediately start working on a slide presentation in powerpoint to present to the Commanding General on his options.

7. The slides will first be briefed to the Chief of Staff and will be sent back for revisions.

8. After 90 different versions have been completed, the Chief of Staff will finally approve the slides.

9. The CG will be presented slide presentation and will call Corps to ask the corps commander for permission to fire.

10. The G3 staff will fax a copy of the presentation to the corps G3 who will in turn ask for a copy to be sent by courier because the first copy got sent to the wrong fax number.

11. The poor captain who sent the fax to corps will be given a bad OER because he should have known that the fax number given to him by a colonel at corps was the wrong number.

12. Corps G3 finally receives the slide presentation and has his staff work on a corps presentation to give to the corps commander.

13. The corps commander is briefed, accepts his staffs proposal that the soldier should fire back, but has to call the Army commander to get permission.

14. The Army commander asks the corps commander to fax him all the information he has on the incident and he will get back to him.

15. The Army commander never receives the information.

16. Division is notified that the information did not reach Army so that poor captain with the bad OER is ordered to fax a copy of the slides to Army, the Pentagon, and the White House.

17. The Army commander finally receives the slides and says he will have to call the Army group commander for permission to fire.

18. The Army Group commander listens to the Army commander then tells him that he will have to call the Pentagon to get permission to fire.

19. The Army Group Commander calls the Pentagon and speaks with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The Chairman wants to know why some know-nothing captain from a division in theater is faxing a 200 page slide presentation to him and the president.

20. The Army Group commander tells the Chairman he will find out.

21. The Army Group commander calls the Army commander and asks why Captain Know-Nothing is faxing slides to the Pentagon and the White House.

22. The Army commander calls the corps commander and asks the same question.

23. The corps commander gets personally involved and calls directly to the division's G3 shop and asks to speak to CPT Know-Nothing.

24. CPT Know-Nothing is given another bad OER and is reassigned to sewage control in a prisoner of war camp.

25. The Army group commander informs the Chairman that the problem is taken care of.

26. The Chairman tells the Army Group commander that he will get back to him after he holds a meeting with all of the service chiefs.

27. During the meeting, the Air Force and Navy Chiefs decide they want a part in this decision now code-named "Operation Return Fire"

28. The Chairman agrees to allow the Air Force to send two tactical fighter wings and 10 B-52s from Diego Garcia. The Chairman allows the Navy to send in 5 carrier battle groups and 3 Marine divisions. On top of all of this, the Chairman tells the service chiefs that the Army will send in two more corps, five brigades of Artillery and an armored cavalry regiment. Furthermore he will ask the Secretary of defense if 500,000 Reservist and National Guardsmen can be called up.

29. The Chairman takes all of these proposals to the Secretary of Defense who agrees and tells the Chairman to prepare a briefing for the President.

30. A colonel stays up for a week straight preparing briefing slides and charts for the President's briefing.

31. The day of the briefing, the light bulb burns out in the White House's projector and the colonel who worked his butt off to set up this briefing loses the command he was going to take over this summer and is forced to retire because he should have known that the light bulb would burn out.

32. Eventually a lieutenant colonel locates a light bulb and he is promoted to colonel and is offered a command this summer that suddenly becomes open.

33. The president approves Operation Return Fire, but first he wants to get "eyes on the target"

34. Navy Seal Team 6 is dispatched to the area. Upon reaching the location where the soldier reported the contact, they find the decomposed body of a dead American PFC, still clutching a hand mike to his ear, looking as if he is waiting for a response to whatever question he asked.

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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 11:05 am

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Business as Usual

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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 11:51 am

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Shoot to kill.................easier to deal with the morons in congress for once............than all those rules:X

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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 01:25 pm

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Blame the news media and the politicians who are begging for defeat! I think the 1st caualties should be the embedded reporters....

This about the effect the media and politicians had on the outcome in Vietnam, a war in which the US never lost a battle. General Giap was the Commanding General of the NVA and was later Defense Minister of North Vietnam.

In his book Giap indicates that NVA troops were without sufficient supplies. Morale was low. General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet Offensive as a costly military failure, and they were prepared to negotiate a surrender within a few months. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet Offensive by the communist NVA. They were amazed to hear reports of the U.S. Embassy being overrun when they knew the NVA had not gained access to the building itself. Further reports indicated riots and protests on the streets of America.

According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. The American media were doing more for their cause than could any military victory. The NVA leadership decided then to persevere, anticipating that the protesters in America would help them achieve a victory they could not win on the battlefield. This decision was made at a time when the U.S. battlefield casualties were fewer than 10,000, from the end of 1967 to beginning of 1968.

Peace talks between representatives from the United States, the Republic of Vietnam, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the NLF began in Paris in January 1969. President Richard M. Nixon, like President Lyndon B. Johnson before him, was convinced that a U.S. withdrawal was necessary, but five years would pass before the last American troops left South Vietnam.

Giap on the cover of Time magazine during the 1972 Easter Offensive
In October 1972, the negotiators came close to agreeing to a formula to end the conflict. The plan was that the last U.S. troops would withdraw from Vietnam in exchange for a cease-fire and the return of American prisoners held by Hànội. It was also agreed that the governments in North and South Vietnam would remain in power until new elections could be arranged to unite the whole country. Although the Nguyen Hue Offensive during the spring of 1972 was another costly failure, PAVN was able to gain a foothold in territorial South Vietnam from which to launch future offensives.

Although U.S. troops would leave the country, PAVN troops could remain in their positions in the south. In an effort to put pressure on both North and South Vietnam during the negotiations, President Nixon ordered a new series of air raids on Hà Nội and Hải Phòng. The DRV accepted the terms of the agreement and, on 27 January 1973, Nixon agreed to sign the Paris Peace Accords that had been proposed in October.

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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 01:42 pm

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A shame as history is trying to repeat itself:?

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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 10:14 pm

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I have the deepest respect for our American men and woman that are in our Military and fighting in the war. That was deep, just makes me appreciate my family and my country.

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Posted: Tue Oct 23rd, 2007 10:39 am

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KenC wrote: Blame the news media and the politicians who are begging for defeat! I think the 1st caualties should be the embedded reporters....

This about the effect the media and politicians had on the outcome in Vietnam, a war in which the US never lost a battle. General Giap was the Commanding General of the NVA and was later Defense Minister of North Vietnam.

In his book Giap indicates that NVA troops were without sufficient supplies. Morale was low. General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet Offensive as a costly military failure, and they were prepared to negotiate a surrender within a few months. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet Offensive by the communist NVA. They were amazed to hear reports of the U.S. Embassy being overrun when they knew the NVA had not gained access to the building itself. Further reports indicated riots and protests on the streets of America.

According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. The American media were doing more for their cause than could any military victory. The NVA leadership decided then to persevere, anticipating that the protesters in America would help them achieve a victory they could not win on the battlefield. This decision was made at a time when the U.S. battlefield casualties were fewer than 10,000, from the end of 1967 to beginning of 1968.

Peace talks between representatives from the United States, the Republic of Vietnam, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the NLF began in Paris in January 1969. President Richard M. Nixon, like President Lyndon B. Johnson before him, was convinced that a U.S. withdrawal was necessary, but five years would pass before the last American troops left South Vietnam.

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