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Do you mean that those fakes are new Asian copies?
I can't say for certain but I would bet $1 that they're of Asian origin.
These watches are being offered on sales forums and ebay.
Here's most of what I noted when I had one of these black-dialed watches in my hand and was able to compare it to 14 original cases:
The crystal was broken and appears to be normal glass, not tempered mineral glass as original.
The lockring is 2 pieces pressed together and different from any of the 20+ that I've had.
The machining is very rough, and the gasket groove larger than the originals.
A press-fit lockring would not be a functional piece with regards to the working assembly of the watch as it could (and did) come apart with action or removal of bezel.
These pictures show the counterfeit lockring and an original:
The casedoes not have the correct profile and is machined improperly between ~2 & ~7 where the outer gasket sits. The mating surface is not flat, and the gasket channel is too deep, so the lockring will not sit properly on the gasket. I didn't pressure test it, but I doubt it would be good.
Counterfeit:
Genuine:
The lug area on originals show no machining marks, but rather show evidence of the original method manufacture. From the Philip Watch pdf book, page 31:
"First of all, the block of metal was passed through the press, then machined internally
only from above..."
http://www.philipwatch.net/files/Philip_Watch/Book.pdf
Original case on left:
Spring bar holes are seen to be different, too. All of the original watches I inspected showed deeper spring bar holes which did not appear to be drilled as the shallow holes on the counterfeit appear to be.
The case measurements were inconsistent with the 14 cases and watches I personally measured:
The outer diameter was just over 48mm, genuine are 50mm or a tiny bit under.
The lug spacing on the originals is consistently very close to 21.80mm. The counterfeit is over 22mm.
I tried a new watchadoo bracelet on every case and it only fit the counterfeit.
The Jenny logo on the back is crude in comparison to the originals:
This is more than a matter of the back being worn or refinished. The edges and relief is soft, and the background rough. Inconsistent with all the original watches I've seen.
The case tube area shows over-cutting which is not present on any of the originals.
The crown and case tube are different than original:
My complete watches were not taken apart at the time these pictures were taken. I can provide pictures of original crowns as needed.
The mvt ring from the counterfeit did not fit any of the originals.
Last edited on Fri Jan 25th, 2013 07:51 pm by timesofplenty