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murphy j 3T WIS 
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My question is in reference to the ETA 2824. Most descriptions of it say it's a 25 jewel movement, but I've also found it referred to as a 17 jewel movement in some other places. Are both descriptions accurate and the difference being the grade of the movement or is there some confusion between 2 similar movements? Or, is it just a case of erroneous information? I always thought it was a 25 jewel movement, so what gives? |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Murph there is the well known eta 2824-2 with 25j and a 2824-1 with 21j but I never heard/seen a 17j nor read about one in any archive....probably a misprint or falaicyface4.gif....do you have a link to this 17j version |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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No, unfortunately not. I know that I've seen it referred to as a 17j, two or three times recently, and it's been bugging me for a couple weeks now. I also know that in the goverment supply catalog(print version), the GSAR description refers to it as a 17j swiss automatic movement. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Must be a misprint as the 2824-1 had 21 jewels and the 2824-2 has 25. The handwinding Unitas movements have 17 jewels. |
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ebiz4me 3T WIS 
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I cut and pasted the following from a description from Long Island Watch on a Trias watch..... Solid cushion case military style watch with a 17 jewel Swiss made automatic (self-winding) ETA 2824 movement, white dial, black luminescent hands, and a mineral crystal front, This particular watch did not have the date complication....could that account for the 17 jewel or was the description just incorrect? Last edited on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 10:17 am by ebiz4me |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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ebiz4me wrote: I cut and pasted the following from a description from Long Island Watch on a Trias watch..... Well....isn't that interesting. Thoughts on this one? Misprint or real? |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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murphy j wrote: ebiz4me wrote:I cut and pasted the following from a description from Long Island Watch on a Trias watch..... Misprint... I'll bet someone else did some cut and pasting and ended up with this...face4.gif |
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Zarith 3T WIS 
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Hi Murphy! The 2801-2 and 2804-2 have both 17 jewels. They are considered as "2824 lite" and used in entry level automatic watches. I've also seen many watches with the "17 jewels 2824 ETA movement" label (Trias, Certina, Auricoste, Rado, RLT ... ). I don't know if these are in fact 2801-2 or 2804-2, or if there was one day a modified version of the 2824 with only 17 jewels... Cheers! Last edited on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 10:27 am by Zarith |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Zarith wrote: the eta 2801 and 2804 are mechanical movements handcrankers not automatichand6.gif....there is no variation I have ever heard of in the eta 2824 auto family w/17j unless some Asian clone has popped up ;) Hi Murphy! |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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Zarith wrote: Hi Murphy! Thanks Zarith. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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here is a complete up to date list of all watch moventshand6.gif http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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Thanks Oscar! According to the list the 2824, 2824-1 and 2824-2 have a 17j version. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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I see it stated now and then and always figured it was a typo or maybe a modified movement. Some examples on these pages. http://www.classicwatch.com/asp/watches/results.asp?Title=Military+Watches&Where=(TypeCode=9)&TypeCode=9 http://www.h-spot.net/watches_british.htm http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/CERTINA/CertinaAutomatic.htm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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murphy j wrote: you mean do not have....right?;) Thanks Oscar! According to the list the 2824, 2824-1 and 2824-2 have a 17j version. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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most all of us have owned that Trias cushion case and mine had a Unitas (been a couple years)so I don't know what this 17j eta is in these newer versionsface4.gif |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: murphy j wrote: Nope. Meant what I said and said what I meant:). Unless I misread what was written:?. |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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Checked again and it lists under the features column 17/21/25jewels. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Could they be mis identifying the older Eta 2688 or 2852 witch had 17j? the 2824 replaced those in most newer watching with the like complication. If not maybe there was a 17j 2824 in the early days of the movement. If so not very common but being stated in a few places makes one think less likely a typo. |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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If I'm reading the list correctly, there is a 17j version, but as you say, not very common. Maybe with the price of ETA movements going up it's a less expensive option for a tried and true reliable movement. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Seems like a lot of friction points going from 17j to 25j. face4.gif |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Who knows with Eta. LOL :D But my brain is shorting out so best get some food and caffine. :cool: |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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Paxman wrote: Seems like a lot of friction points going from 17j to 25j. face4.gif Very true, but I'm not a watchmaker so who knows? I do know that it's possible to add a lot of unnecassary jewels to a movement to give the impression that it's a higher quality movement. I'm not saying that's what ETA has done, far from it in fact. I think it's possible that it's just a lower quality version of the 2824-1/-2 that's availible, but nobody used because the better ones were so cheap for so long. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I stand corrected....found one with 17j from 1971...these would be nos imo as they are no longer manufactured by eta http://www.christophlorenz.de/watch/movements/e/eta/eta_2824_2.php?l=en |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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murphy j wrote: Paxman wrote:Seems like a lot of friction points going from 17j to 25j. face4.gif You will see that at times with some Asian movements. Over kill on the jewels. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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I thought I read somewhere that ETA had the three 2824 movements with the 17J being the the bare bones version. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS
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It was discussed here a while back. http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36642&highlight=&sid=09aea07cd1dfa8b071e7ec15d21a399b |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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forgot I brought this same subject of the Trias 17j eta over a year ago! http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=5839&forum_id=1&highlight=eta+2824 |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: forgot I brought this same subject of the Trias 17j eta over a year ago! Oh no not a case of that dreaded forgetfulitis. I get that every now and then too. :D |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yep....it's called age.....ask Ken cause it seems we are both suffering |
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KenC Admin 
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oagaspar wrote: yep....it's called age.....ask Ken cause it seems we are both suffering I was just about to respond to this when I saw you had it totally covered (as usual)...I remember discovering this little known fact about the 17j ETA 2824 a few years back when I found what I thought was an error in a Trias watch advertisement...and was summarily corrected by the seller. I believe that mcwright has owned a couple of the Trias, cushion case with the 17j ETA2824. |
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