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KenC Admin 
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Just looked a Sierra Traing Post and see the Gevril GV2 Staidum (on rubber) is $2095 MSRP and for sale @ $999.99. And 2 years ago I got 2 of them there at about $450 for both (one on steel)! http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,1643D_GV2-by-Gevril-Rubber-Bracelet-Watch-Automatic-Swiss-Movement.html |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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face4.gifface4.gifface4.gif http://www.watchseller.com/gevgv2daydat2.html Is this the same model albeit priced more in line with what the market supports on these? |
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KenC Admin
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I don't know...I haven't checked other places, but they used to be as cheap as anyone...I believe they are in the $550 range preowned at Watchseller. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Yea I got mine 2 years ago for $399 with free shipping. I wonder if they are still shipping in the big old Gevril watch boxes? |
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joecb 3T WIS 
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There are numerous sellers on e-bay, with the GV2 and stadium dials. I've noticed that the average auction price is anywhere between, $270.00 to about $400.00, A very nice watch IMO |
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KenC Admin
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joecb wrote: There are numerous sellers on e-bay, with the GV2 and stadium dials. I checked that out because it sounded strange, but those on ebay are a different watch. They are not using the ETA2826-2 Day/Date movement...not sure what they are using but a date configuration only, with a 3 number appearence in a window between 4 and 5 with an arrow pointing to the date. Most that I saw were in the $475 to $575 range depending on strap. http://cgi.ebay.com/Gevril-GV2-Mens-Stadium-Black-Orange-Dial-4009R_W0QQitemZ320393408855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item4a98ef7157&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Ken those are 2ed Generation. But that is all I know about them. ;) |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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every vendor has different prices...I paid $349. for mine 3-4 years ago and my Gevril AD is getting MSRP ...TJ Maxx is getting $495. so it is what it is just like any other watch...if anything I have noticed prices going down not up and vendors/ADs more willing to give better discounts ...shop around for the best price :D |
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joecb 3T WIS
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Your right, the GV2's that are on auction are mostly with the Claro CL888, movement, date at 4-5 position |
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cfoster 3T WIS
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joecb wrote: Your right, the GV2's that are on auction are mostly with the Claro CL888, movement, Not always the case. I have purchased a number of GV2's on eBay and all have been ETA 2836-2 or SW 200 movements and have never paid more than $500. Sammy has a lot of variations on the stadium design and what is available on the secondary market is whatever he is clearing out or what a dealer has had in stock for a little too long. Gevril is a fully Swiss made product or as Tim Temple says "Pure Swiss" so the CL888 movements used are not the Asian version. Gevril always puts out a quality product, believe me I know, I have over 25 of them and would not worry about getting the CL 888 in one of my next purchases since it, just happens to be a George J. Von Berg product. |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS 
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This is what I know so far about the Claro CL 888 caliber automatic movement. In 1961 Georg von Burg founded CLARO Watch Co. in Bienne,Switzerland for the finishing of pin-lever movements and assembly of complete watches under various brands. Modern CLARO CL-888: CLARO-Semag is Fossil's Switzerland based in-house mechanical movement "manufacturer." Fossil produced a movement called the CL-888,which was used in the Zodiac Oceanaire Diver's watch,eventually the same movement can be found in several Fossil models. However, according to a moderator of another watch forum. He concluded that the CL-888 was fact a Tianjin ST-16. Which became the Tianjin Sea-Gull. Here's the kicker, the CL-888 only differs from the ST-16 in its finishing. It is likely that the movement was polished and decorated in Switzerland. What basically Fossil did was that they've turned a Chinese made movement and called it Swiss. This is not illegal,according to the Swiss Federation because it pushed past the 50% mark,in order to maintain a "Swiss" label. However, in order to get Swiss Made on the dial. The watch must be built and assemble in Switzerland, and it must past the 80% mark to achieve this level. Both the ST-16 and the CL-888 automatic winding mechanism,was patented by Seiko, the patent remained in until the late 1980's or early 1990's. Unless, Fossil had the movement built under an agreement with Seiko prior to the purchase of Zodiac Watch Co. Cheers, Simon Last edited on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 04:27 am by Simon_Leung |
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KenC Admin
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I do not believe the 80% requirement is in effect yet. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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KenC wrote: I do not believe the 80% requirement is in effect yet. you are correct Ken!...it was voted down unanimously last April 08' as many thought it would harm the Swiss Watch industry...so it remains 51% hand6.gif |
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cfoster 3T WIS
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Simon_Leung wrote: This is what I know so far about the Claro CL 888 What you say about the ST 16 and the CL 888 is correct according to my information however, it is my understanding that the CL 888 is manufactured in both locations. I do not believe that Gevril would use any Asian built movements. I also understand that the 51% rule is still in effect. But, this is interesting and perhaps a little research is in order. |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS
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I had a chance to talk an Authorized Dealer for Gevril here in Vancouver in regards to GV2. She told me that Gevril had in fact used the CL-888 on some of their watches. That has all been changed to the current GV A0AX32 since the introduction of the Avenue of America. In the Official Website, Gevril doesn't mention whether or not the movement is Swiss Made. GV A0AX32 is a 25 Jewel movement. From this it may sound like an ETA ebauche, but I have my doubts. |
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joecb 3T WIS
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nice info on the cl888.. However, I was just commenting on the GV2's that I had seen on e-bay auction, and I went back into my e-bay, and checked all the GV2,s I had been watching, and the majority, were of the CL888, and sold in the price range I quoted, I was also replying to Ken C, stating that the one's I was talking about were different from the stadiums he was describing which were all ETA 2826-2 movements. I also have no problem with the CL888, it is a fine movement, and I'm sure Gevril, will be in compliance with the Swiss Federation. no worries.Bouncy.gif |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Simon_Leung wrote: I had a chance to talk an Gevril has been rumored to start their own in house movements for a few years now. Not sure if they are going to be using them in the GV2 line to start but they will be Swiss Made movements from the chatter I have picked up here and there. Sammy Friedman has a reputation for quality so even with the CL 888 I'm sure he and George J von Burg did good with watch and movements in these. |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS
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A big sigh of relief...Thank you. |
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ral 3T WIS
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I got a stainless steel version from Sierra a couple of weeks ago, US$ 406, with a 30% discount code ended up paying US$ 284. Got it with the big wooden box, all papers and a very nice outside box as well. It came with a gold plated ETA 2824-2. Very happy with the watch and happier with the price... Attachment: Front 1.jpg (Downloaded 40 times) |
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KenC Admin
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ral...you can put all of your pictures in a single post......at any rate, this is the model that was very popular several years ago. Got it from Sierra Post when they had a web site "snafu" and yet still honored the price. I got 2...sold 1 for a net cost of about $30... |
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ral 3T WIS
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So what is the story behind GV2? They stopped making them? I managed to find an archived site for the brand, http://www.scoopbags.net/index.html, but no reference at all in the Gevril site. This is my first automatic watch, and I have been trying to learn as much as possible since I got it. |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS
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According to a local Authorized Dealer,here in Vancouver. The GV2 has been discontinued and has been replaced by the Avenue of America Collection. Last edited on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 01:11 pm by Simon_Leung |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Simon_Leung wrote:
I don't think the Avenue of America Collection is replacing it. That has been around back to at least 2002. The GV2 is their Sport collection of watches. A more economical lower priced line to introduce folks to Gevril. So far they have all been limited edition models that I have seen. The Stadium being the most popular to most WIS. If they have been discontinued I've seen no official word on it any place. |
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KenC Admin
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ral wrote: So what is the story behind GV2? They stopped making them? I managed to find an archived site for the brand, http://www.scoopbags.net/index.html, but no reference at all in the Gevril site. http://www.gevril.com There are no "sport" watches pictured in there "collection"...they may have discontinued the GV2! |
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ral 3T WIS
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I read somewhere that Gevril provided "ETA 2824-2 movements with Dubois Dépraz layers". What is that exactly? Marketing hype? |
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cfoster 3T WIS
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ral wrote: I read somewhere that Gevril provided "ETA 2824-2 movements with Dubois Dépraz layers". What is that exactly? Marketing hype? Going back to the "First Generation" right through the present, Gevril has used the Dubois Depraz modified movements for most of their chronographs. I have several of them. The 2824-2 is an automatic 25 jewel movement which is modified by adding the Dubois Depraz 26 jewel chronograph module for a movement total of 51 jewels. No hype, in my experience, just a great movement. Clyde |
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KenC Admin
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cfoster wrote: ral wrote:I read somewhere that Gevril provided "ETA 2824-2 movements with Dubois Dépraz layers". What is that exactly? Marketing hype? The DD2020 is, indeed, a magnificent movement...I have 2 watches that use it, a Steinhart MACH1 and a VIXA Type-20...   |
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ral 3T WIS
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So the modified movements are only chronographs? |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS
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Historically Speaking: The Dubois-Depraz chronograph module has been around for 40 years now. It was first introduced at the Basel Fair of March 1969 when Hamilton,Heuer and Breitling started the Calibre 11 project, which brought these three companies together to create the first automatic chronograph wristwatch. Only to be beaten by the Zenith El-Primero, a few months earlier. The Movado-Zenith El-Primero,was the first integrated column wheel automatic chronograph movement. The Early Design: The Dubois-Depraz module is located on top of the Buren micro-rotor automatic movement. The Buren micro-rotor was used in the Universal Geneva Polerouter and Hamilton's Thin-O-Matic watches. Over the course of four decades. The DD module has been used in Tissot,Longines, Omega Speedmaster Reduce,Georg von Burg,Anonimo and other companies. The More Common Design: The Dubois-Depraz chronograph module sits above the ETA 2892-A2 25 jewel movement. The DD module was a cost effective way to produce an automatic chronograph movement. Depending on whose side of the debate one takes, is that many of the DD modules simply gets replace; partially due to complexity of the piggy back design. Last edited on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 02:08 am by Simon_Leung |
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chris s. 3T WIS 
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Here are my 2 Gevril Chronos with DD 2020  It is also my understanding that if some thing goes wrong with chrono the 2824 will still function as a 3 hand movement unlike the 7750. The module is then replaced. Gevril also modifed the 2893 now found in the Avenue Serenade with 2 timezones and day and night windows . The new ones are quite up there in price, but here's a 1st Gen. example   Last edited on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 09:08 am by chris s. |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS
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Yes, Chris that is correct the 2824 will work as normal three hand watch when the Dubois-Depraz module malfunctions. The Valjoux 7750 is an integrated automatic chronograph movement. This movement is more difficult to repair due to its the small clutch spring. The part number 8320 resembles a something between a staple and the teeth of a beetle. The sole purpose of this spring is to move the clutch which operates the oscilliating pinion on command. Last edited on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 09:45 am by Simon_Leung |
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