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skullzero96 3T WIS
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Still looking for that perfect watch, how are Ball watches? Saw the Ball Hydrocarbon GMT a nice looking watch, but is it worth the price? The salesman also had some story about a guy's arm being saved from an IED because of the Hydrocarbon, anyone know if that is true? Thanks. |
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captobvious 3T WIS 
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I used to own a Hydrocarbon and thought it was a nice watch for the money. Fit and finish was very good. The watch wore a bit small and the bezel was very hard to rotate. Other than that, no complaints at all. For about the same money I got far more enjoyment out of my Omega Seamaster and Doxa subs. Just my .02. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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By all accounts Ball puts together a first rate watch. But as the Captain stated, there are a lot of great players in the same range. Question is.. do you want the tubes? Don't buy at the AD unless you are getting a substantial discount. |
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ericf 3T WIS 
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i am also currently about to buy either the Hydro Chrono or the Alligator models...Love Ball they are killer. No AD for me, second hand discounts!! |
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redsub 3T WIS
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tubes alone are fine...multicolor grates on me though. |
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ehecht 3T WIS
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Purchased a ball alligator on ebay papers and all $1100 Absolutely love it. Fit and feel are perfect and for my 6.5" wrist its great. I didn't have room in the 4 slot winder and left it on the dresser. During the night my wife made me get up and turn it around it was bright. |
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ericf 3T WIS
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holy crap 1100?? Thats a good deal. I have been trying to get a price move on one currently at 1900 and the seller wont budge..So I bought a Storm Chaser...lol |
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ehecht 3T WIS
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My little secret for ebay. Get someone at beginning of auction and email with an immediate payment offer. Or watch the item and if it doesn't sell make an offer. I recently picked up a Francois Rotier (turbillon) purchased in Basel Switzerland . It was in a huge burled box with receipt for 2800 euros and all paper for $400. People need money now and deals are being made. Be patient! The Alligator is discontinued and other than the madball or diver I wouldn't own another (my preference) |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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ehecht wrote:My little secret for ebay. Get someone at beginning of auction and email with an immediate payment offer. Or watch the item and if it doesn't sell make an offer. I recently picked up a Francois Rotier (turbillon) purchased in Basel Switzerland . It was in a huge burled box with receipt for 2800 euros and all paper for $400. People need money now and deals are being made. Be patient! The Alligator is discontinued and other than the madball or diver I wouldn't own another (my preference) Ehecht.. I don't want to break your great deals dreams about the tourbillon but Francois Rotier is another brand buying his "tourbillons" from China: If they are located in Germany... Another known seller(who sold subs,explorers 2 and pam homages with 2634-2 mvt who is the most Chinesed-Swiss movements ever...) was selling also very similar tourbillons watches for 450$ on Ebay... There's no cheap Swiss-made real tourbillons: It just don't exist... You had a better call on the Ball most likely;) |
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ehecht 3T WIS
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I've heard this before and have been trying to confirm this without success. How can I verify what your sayng please? If you go to ebay they are $1450 all by one seller. The guy I got it from sent a receipt in German from Basel which i had transalted. It certainl looks great......beleive me I'm not offended and would love to learn alot more than I know now. Still pretty new at this. Thanks |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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ehecht wrote:I've heard this before and have been trying to confirm this without success. How can I verify what your sayng please? If you go to ebay they are $1450 all by one seller. The guy I got it from sent a receipt in German from Basel which i had transalted. It certainl looks great......beleive me I'm not offended and would love to learn alot more than I know now. Still pretty new at this. I got honestly no direct proofs that this F.R company purchase them tourbillons in China but if you search a bit about them on the net, they been allready suspected on other forums: It's just obvious as all tourbillons from China looks the same and as it don't stand any fabrication's land on them site or on them watches. Don't be fooled by the price: A French guy try to sell tourbillons on Ebay for 4891$ as he claim that they are made in France...But they look very Chinese to me those tourbillons. Check this manufacturer:http://www.perpetual-watch.com/index.html Those are the same watches again and again and again, that you will find under many names...All made in the Republic Popular. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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ehecht wrote: I've heard this before and have been trying to confirm this without success. How can I verify what your sayng please? If you go to ebay they are $1450 all by one seller. The guy I got it from sent a receipt in German from Basel which i had transalted. It certainl looks great......beleive me I'm not offended and would love to learn alot more than I know now. Still pretty new at this. without a doubt they are Asian...your'e not going to find a genuine Swiss tourbillion even remotely close to $1450. unless you add a zero and maybe not even then...;) |
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ehecht 3T WIS
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Well then I am going to enjoy this watch as long as it runs. Fit and finish are very nice and unlike PAM chinese reps, I have ,the movement is smooth and accurate. Glad to have the watch for $400 not $1500. Frankly the burled box is work a couple of hundred. Thanks for the education guys. That's how we get smarter |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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ehecht wrote:Well then I am going to enjoy this watch as long as it runs. Fit and finish are very nice and unlike PAM chinese reps, I have ,the movement is smooth and accurate. Glad to have the watch for $400 not $1500. Frankly the burled box is work a couple of hundred. Thanks for the education guys. That's how we get smarter No problemo amigo! Enjoy the fancy tourbillon and never hesitate to ask for recommandations in the future: Many been doing it and many had great help;) |
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ehecht 3T WIS
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Trust me i will be reaching out before major decisions in the future. This is a great resource for me. just scored a yellow luminox for $125. Speak to you soon |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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Ehect, Ball is good. Ball Hydrocarbon is a decent choice. Just note that tubes last about 10 years only and that may be a factor for you to consider if you want to hold on to a Ball watch long term. On the tourbillion, just my opinion and surely I'll get rained with lots of star knives, arrows and spears on my comment: I'd rather spend my cash on some other complication. One doesn't really need a tourbillion if you seriously, seriously think about it. William and Oscar make lots of sense about the origins of some of these brands. Hope this helps:P (ooopppsss I see star knives heading to me  ) |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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I kind of agree with you Jeff....One can survive without tourbillon:D Seriously: It's a beautifull and entertaining complication when it's visible but it was concieved to run on pocket watches and those are standing in the pocket most of them time originaly. Meaning that the tourbillon got his best efficiency on accuracy of the movement when it stand vertical. The problem is that a wrist watch is far to be sitting vertically most of it's time... Concluding that the efficiency of the tourbillon is far to be optimum on a wrist watch. BUT! Some manufacturers took the tourbillon to it's optimal fonction by making it gyroscopic or simply explained: Following gravity and thereby beeing allways vertical;) So if your tourbillon is gyroscopic, you exploit it optimaly....If not, you don't... So noone should throw ninja-stars to Jeff |
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