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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Helberg CH-6 Pre-Order page,Mad Dog Special,Isophrane Special! ,many variations and dial colors available. http://shop.h2o-watch.com/HELBERG%20CH6 Attachment: helberg_ch6_bronze_ceramic_top_black_001-800x800.jpg (Downloaded 165 times) |
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Paladin 3T WIS 
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A lot of bang for the buck on this one!  |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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agreed Bill,fantastic buy imho! I ordered the combo pic'd above... |
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exc-hulk Moderator 
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I am in for stainless steel case. |
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stew77 Admin 
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This is obviously a ton of bang-for-the-buck from Clemens at Helberg! The discounted Isofrane for preorders and the free Maddog strap for the first 300 preorders really seems to make this a no-brainer and completely irresistable!  I don't really need another watch right now, but....well...  |
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Timbo 3T WIS 
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This seems awfully inexpensive for bronze. Do we think it is legit? I'm tempted, but I remember some prior cautions on this forum about pre-orders and low price bronze projects. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Timbo wrote: This seems awfully inexpensive for bronze. Do we think it is legit? I'm tempted, but I remember some prior cautions on this forum about pre-orders and low price bronze projects.the projects in question were advertising CuSn8 bronze,which is expensive and hard to source,the Helberg is not being advertised as such and Clemens H2O/Helberg has a very good reputation among enthusiasts... |
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stew77 Admin
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oagaspar wrote:Timbo wrote:This seems awfully inexpensive for bronze. Do we think it is legit? I'm tempted, but I remember some prior cautions on this forum about pre-orders and low price bronze projects.the projects in question were advertising CuSn8 bronze,which is expensive and hard to source,the Helberg is not being advertised as such and Clemens H2O/Helberg has a very good reputation among enthusiasts... While true that Clemens has not advertised CuSn8 Bronze on the order page...(the order page simply says "bronze"). Clemens has stated on another forum that the CH-6 will indeed use CuSn8 bronze.  Quote from Clemens: "Re: HELBERG CH6 - PRE-ORDER - MADDOG + ISOFRANE SPECIAL We will use CuSn8. If I remember correctly, I have added an image of the raw material in the "old" CH6 thread." His reputation to deliver makes all the difference IMO.  |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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TY Chris,1st I am hearing this,perhaps Clemens will clarify. |
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Timbo 3T WIS
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So, how is he selling CuSn8 bronze for under $500? I have read here a number of times that it is not possible. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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You are right Timbo,and to date I believe we were correct in our assumptions with upstart companies,same goes here, based on the reputation of the brands owner.I was however told by a well known watch manufacturer that with the impact of CuSn8 bronze within the watch industry,the once German sourced CuSn8 bronze is now also being produced in China.I am not sure if this is what Clemens is using,but it would make sense that this is why the cost has come down.The Helberg Ch-1 is advertised as using "German Made CuSn8" where as the Ch-6 is not,as I said above,perhaps Clemens will come on and clarify. |
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Timbo 3T WIS
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That would make sense to me, as everything from China is cheaper! I really don't care where the material is sourced, as long as the quality and appearance is good. Depending on the response, I may jump in on this one. I like the bronze/brown dial/black bezel combination. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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agreed Timbo,I know Clemens produces well made watches and his reputation/friendship is all I needed to order. |
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H2O 3T WIS
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From my experience and knowledge from my last material quotations and purchases the price for the different bronze types are nearly identically. There is a small difference of less than one Euro per kilogram! Tungum, which is also a Copper based material and which we were using for our watches too, is about 4x more expensive than bronze. Best wishes from Germany Clemens |
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H2O 3T WIS
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Today we have received the first samples of the HELBERG CH6 mesh bracelet. We will add the engraving of the HELBERG logo for final version. The length of the shark mesh bracelet is approx. 190mm and has removeable links to adjust to your wrist size! The tickness of the shark mesh bracelet is 4.30mm! :-)      The HELBERG CH6 MESH mounted to the H2O ORCA VINTAGE:   I like it also on my ORCAS. |
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Timbo 3T WIS
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Thanks for the info, Clemens. Based on your reputation here (and elsewhere) I went ahead and placed my order today (bronze/brown/black bezel). This will be my first bronze watch. Can't wait to see it! Best of luck with the pre-order. Timbo Last edited on Fri Oct 25th, 2013 03:39 pm by Timbo |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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anyone get confirmation theirs shipped yet? |
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stew77 Admin
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oagaspar wrote:anyone get confirmation theirs shipped yet? I did Oscar...FedEx tried to deliver it yesterday, but nobody home. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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stew77 wrote: oagaspar wrote:Congrats,at least you are getting yours! ...I was one of the 1st to order 10/21/13 and no confirmation yet?...what color combo did you get? |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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Mine is on its way to me and landed tomorrow |
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stew77 Admin
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oagaspar wrote:stew77 wrote:oagaspar wrote:Congrats,at least you are getting yours! Bronze, Blue Dial, Domed Crystal (I also went with the chromed handset instead of the brass/gold handset that is often used on the bronze cases). Looking forward to this one!  What combo (or combos...seems like many ordered more than one!), did you go with? Phil - great to hear yours is landing soon too! |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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stainless steel case stainless steel bezel black dial gold hand set domed crystal Isofrane |
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stew77 Admin
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exc-hulk wrote:stainless steel case Those gold hands will really pop against that black dial Phil! (I suspect that there may not be many of the ss cased versions with the gold handset). ...cool vintage vibe with that choice.I went with the chrome handset, since I thought it would play better with the blue dial that I chose...I'm still a sucker for bronze cases. |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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The blue dial looks really great. That was my second choice. But I restrained myself.  |
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stew77 Admin
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Picked up my CH6 this evening. Incredibly well done watch by Clemens IMO...gets my vote for watch deal of the year, including a package of two leather straps (one extremely soft Maddog Shark strap and another vintage looking brown leather, plus the optional Isofrane that I added)...also included 2 imposing and well done Maddog Bronze buckles, one with each leather strap!) Watch is extremly well built with spot on bezel and crown action, and everything aligned perfectly. Great attention to detail in the case design, which is very comfortable on the wrist. Two thumbs up! It's getting dark, so a couple quick pics...(This is a blue dial on blue Isofrane) - hope to add some better pics with better lighting.   |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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Awesome combo Chris.....I ordered the same except green dial....I guess he's shipping them out in the same combs....I haven't seen any bronze, dome, green yet....I'm going nuts seeing all the pic's..... |
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stew77 Admin
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Gregger wrote:Awesome combo Chris.....I ordered the same except green dial....I guess he's shipping them out in the same combs....I haven't seen any bronze, dome, green yet....I'm going nuts seeing all the pic's..... Thanks Greg!  You are going to be very happy with the build on these (so well done, and at this price point even more amazing). It is a very substantial piece on the wrist too...wears a bit bigger than I was expecting it would, but I REALLY like it! I hope you see yours soon! Here's a sunny shot showing the blue dial a little better.  |
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stew77 Admin
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Gregger wrote:Awesome combo Chris.....I ordered the same except green dial....I guess he's shipping them out in the same combs....I haven't seen any bronze, dome, green yet....I'm going nuts seeing all the pic's..... I forgot to mention...you likely have already seen the OceanicTime blog piece that showed your combo with the green dial. Looks hot with the green dial! http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2014/06/helberg-ch6-bronze.html |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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stew77 wrote:Gregger wrote: yes I saw that. We get three straps with the watch right? I think I saw a post where the rubber will be sent later.... |
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stew77 Admin
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Gregger wrote:stew77 wrote: The option of a rubber strap is a genuine Isofrane strap and was offered as an additional cost option at the time of reservation (discounted nicely to what you have to pay direct from Isofrane if I remember correctly). If you ordered it with your original reservation, it will arrive with the watch. I did order the optional Isofrane, and it also included the very soft and nicely done Maddog Shark Strap plus another vintage brown leather strap & 2 huge Maddog Bronze Buckles. I saw a thread on another site talking about the addition of yet another strap (canvas)that may either be sent with the watch or sent later on....I'm assuming color coordinated to the dial color chosen. May be little more than a rumor... |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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It is early at 7 clock. I am back at home from work and I am tired. But there is still a package for me.  This is the content. Fast pics in the morning.     |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Congrats Phil!...looks awesome Buddy! |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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my friend ! Really a nice piece. The workmanship is really on top level. |
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stew77 Admin
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WOW Phil!  That is a HOT combo! Your pics are absolutely killer my friend!  Congrats and enjoy that beauty...I agree with you, build quality is absolutely top notch (really makes you wonder why so many brands fail to deliver great build quality at much higher prices!!!). |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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Thank you Chris ! I am really happy with that combo. You are absolutely right. This processing at this price |
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stew77 Admin
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Here are a couple more full sun shots of the Blue/Bronze...  |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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stew77 wrote:Here are a couple more full sun shots of the Blue/Bronze... After seeing the blue dial I'm thinking I should have gotten that instead of the green. Will see when mine comes... |
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stew77 Admin
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Gregger wrote:stew77 wrote: Thanks Greg. The blue is very nice, showing alot of character and personality depending on the lighting conditions, but I'm pretty sure all color combos will be absolute winners. Can't wait to see more pics of the incoming combinations! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I am happy for those who have actually received a CH6. I made my pre-order on Oct.21,2013...10 mos. ago,same day pre-orders went up and made my final payment May 06 2014 (withing minutes of my final invoice)...8 weeks ago and still no watch. rant over  |
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stew77 Admin
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Looks like yours may be shipping this week based on pics posted on another forum Oscar. Everyone is entitiled to a little rant once in a while. Here are a few pics of mine with some induced patina...   |
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H2O 3T WIS
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:-) That´s right. Oscars watch has been shipped today and most of the CH6 in bronze with black ceramic inlay will be shipped as well in the next 3 working days. :-) After they are shipped we will mainly receive the CH6 in bronze with solid bezel and different dials/crystals. @stew77: Your patina looks WWWWWOOOOWWWWW!!! Did you achiew that with the LOS XL Gel? I have that in my office, but never tried. .... As soon as life gets to normal state back again I will give it a try. Last edited on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 12:22 pm by H2O |
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stew77 Admin
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H2O wrote::-) That´s right. Oscars watch has been shipped today and most of the CH6 in bronze with black ceramic inlay will be shipped as well in the next 3 working days. :-) Great to see you posting up here on 3T Clemens!!! Killer job on the CH6...absolutely top notch build all the way IMO!!! Thanks for the kind words on my patina! Yes, I used the LOS Gel to achieve a quick acceleration of things. It is always a bit of a trial and error process to get things how you want them, but I'm very happy with how mine turned out. |
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H2O 3T WIS
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When I have the specialist here: :-) How to achieve the best natural result? OK, depends, but... - do I have to dip the full watch into the diluted fluid or - do you use a cloth to wipe it with the diluted fluid or - will it be heated in a bottle and the watch is just on top of the raising gas???? Have to search in the internet, I´m sure there are some explanations. I think this will be also cool for the CH1 or CH8 and have to try it with the Tungum material as well. :-) |
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stew77 Admin
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H2O wrote:When I have the specialist here: :-) With the LOS, you prepare the diluted fluid (think I used something like a teaspoon of LOS gel to 10-12 oz of water roughly). (It is also important IMO to heat the water before mixing in the LOS...I try to heat it to around 160°F so that it will be around 140°F when I submerge the watch). I have heard of people wiping the watch with the LOS fluid, but I've never tried that. The temperature of the mixture seems to have an affect on the color of patina achieved, but I've never really experimented too much with a range of temps...hot bronze and hot los mixture yields a more durable patina IMO. I think you get the best experience when you preheat the watch case (I run it under hot tap water before doing a full submerge of the watch into the hot LOS mixture). In seconds (3-10 seconds literally), you will have the watch reacting and can customize it to what you like. If the watch turns really dark (black), you can always post-polish the really dark stuff off revealing the colored patina below. (I always transfer the watch from the hot LOS mixture directly to a cold baking soda/water bath to stop the reaction). This is always a bit of an arts & crafts experiment and your individual results may/will vary! I did my CH1 bronze too, and that bronze reacted slightly different than the CH6 did...I will likely put my CH1 through another round of LOS gel.   |
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H2O 3T WIS
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THANK YOU FOR THE DETAILED EXPLANATION! :-) Patina in seconds: WOW! I will give it a try next month you as you proposed with dipping in hot diluted fluid. If it totally goes wrong I will bead-blaster the surface. Fortunately I have some buckles to try before. :-) |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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Really great patina Chris ! Oh man, I need those CH1 in stainless steel |
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stew77 Admin
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H2O wrote:THANK YOU FOR THE DETAILED EXPLANATION! :-) Patina in seconds: WOW! Great idea to start with the buckles first (I started with those incredible Maddog bronze buckles that you included with the CH6, and they reacted very similarly to the bronze case on the CH6). So after I dipped the buckles and polished them a bit, I then dipped the watch case. It has been said that the patina can be removed with lemon juice or a mixture of citric acid (which is a variation of lemon juice I guess). I have not done this, but it looks like people have had success with it...some others here at 3T may have done similar. |
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exc-hulk wrote:Really great patina Chris ! Thanks Phil! Yes indeed, you really NEED to pick up a CH1 in SS!!! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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CH6 in da' house... Attachment: 008.JPG (Downloaded 20 times) |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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Looks great Oscar ....was the wait worth it? I'm still waiting on my bronze bronze green dome...... |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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oagaspar wrote: CH6 in da' house... Big congrats my friend ! Finally your CH6 is at home.... Great combo ! |
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