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| Miyota vs ETA movements | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 5th, 2007 12:00 am |
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jclevoy 3T WIS
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OK guys, I know this has probably been discussed 1000s of times over here, but I am Miyota ignorant. Does Miyota have movements that compare to ETA with features like hacking vs non-hacking? My father's Orange Monster is non-hacking and also does not have a manual-wind feature. (I think this is not Miyota?) Also, my Doxas seem to be all within +2 to +7/day. It seems like it is acceptable for the Miyotas to be in the 12-15sec/day. I also have very little exposure to the Miyota movements. What is the general feeling about the Miyotas compared to the ETA movements??
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| Posted: Sun Aug 5th, 2007 12:28 am |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Firstly your right the Orange Monster is not a miyota movement it has a Seiko caliber 7s26 21 jewels self-winding movement inside. And the 2 movements you have picked are the top of the line in their class. Way to much more me to even try to go into on a Saturday night. Been a busy day shoot busy week. I'm sure others will pipe in. But even between the 2 movements you have levels of even better quality. Like with Eta who bought out the Swiss valjoux line in the early 1980's. Now the Swiss made eta valjoux model 7750 25 jewels automatic movements which are the cream of the crop. You have to go very high end custom built to beat them. And that is still a hard feat. But before I go brain dead here both are very good movements.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 5th, 2007 02:02 am |
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zippofan 3T WIS 
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Miyota is a subsidiary of Citizen Watch company. They make quartz and automatic movements that are used in many company's watches including Citizen auto divers. The well known Invicta 8926 has a Miyota automatic movement (82xx series) as well as the SeaPro divers. I have a St. Moritz quartz chrono that has a Miyota OS10 chronograph movement. Some collectors look down at Miyota because: They are not Swiss They are inexpensive (compared to the ETA workhorse 2824) They are 21,600 bph vs 28,800 bph for the ETA (higher beat rates are considered more accurate) They are an indirect seconds design, which occasionally can lead to a condition called the "Miyota stutter", which is to say if the watch takes a bump, the second hand stops for a second or 2 even though it doesn't affect time keeping accuracy) They are hand windable but do not hack like the ETA I have had 6 Miyotas, I had trouble with one and returned it to the manufacturer. The other 5 work flawlessly. I have heard of problems with ETA 2824 movements, so it is no indication that they are "bad". Here is a comparison between the two movements, very informative: http://www.17jewel.com/two.html To me, Miyotas have one advantage. If the movement dies (highly unlikely), they are readily available and easy for a watchmaker to just install a new movement. I have an Alpha Planet Ocean clone that had a Chinese copy of the Miyota movement. It was junk but I like the watch. A watchmaker installed a Miyota movement and now it is a favorite of mine. I hope this helps! Cheers, Griff
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| Posted: Sun Aug 5th, 2007 09:46 am |
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jclevoy 3T WIS
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Thanks Griff!! For the information. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I am just curious what people think is going to happen now that ETA is going to quit supplying movements to anyone outside of the Swatch Group. Doxa says that they are fine until 2010, but what about after that? To me, it just seems like there is not a company out there ready to fill ETAs shoes. Sellita and Miyota don't seem ready to me IMHO. Last edited on Sun Aug 5th, 2007 09:47 am by jclevoy |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 5th, 2007 10:08 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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jclevoy wrote: 1st of all eta is not going to stop supplying their movements outside of SwatchGroup...they tried but the Swiss Federation stopped them...there are numerous threads on this subject here on 3T to substantiate that.hand6.gif The eta supply is strained due to lack of watchmakers to fill the demand and they are actively hiring and in need of 500 watchmakers to fill positions in order to complete orders through 2009 and the future..that comes direct from eta:) Comparing a Miyota to an ETA is apples and oranges.....both have been around for some time ...Miyota over 20yrs and is a proven workhorse in it's own right but far from the finish of an eta when it comes to accuracy.Miyotas and other Asian movements will become more commonplace in the next couple of years due to the shortage of eta's and they are refining the movement as far as making them hackable,and decorated as well so if the shortage of eta movements has done anything imho it has driven other movement companies to improve their product to meet a new demand...Seagull makes their own version of the eta 2824 as well as many others with great success for many years and are the largest manufacturer of watch movements in the world.I own many watches with the Miyota and have been very happy with them as they are bulletproof as far as longevity but accuracy is not their strong suit....I have a few running at +/- 10sec and even one that hacks but when comparing price between Miyota and ETA the Miyota wins hands down as they cost far less in comparison....I personally would buy a watch with a Miyota at a huge savings over a watch w/a SelittaSW200 at eta prices at this point and time.watch2.gifjust my 2 cents;) Thanks Griff!! For the information. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I am just curious what people think is going to happen now that ETA is going to quit supplying movements to anyone outside of the Swatch Group. Doxa says that they are fine until 2010, but what about after that? To me, it just seems like there is not a company out there ready to fill ETAs shoes. Sellita and Miyota don't seem ready to me IMHO.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 5th, 2007 10:42 am |
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jclevoy 3T WIS
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Thanks Oscar for your input. I am really a novice when it comes to knowing about these movements. But I like to learn;) It seems as if ETA is still trying to end the supply of ETAs to other watch companies. I just get a little nervous because I have 12 Doxas with #13 on the way. I want to make sure they continue to be serviceable by anyone qualified for the years to come. Also, I do like to know what else is available and how good it is when compared to the ETA.woohoo.gif
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