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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Wednesday, I received two Resco Patriots, one Brushed SS black dial blue writing and a DLC Sterile dial. As of last night, I only own the brushed version. I had gotten one out of a trade + cash knowing I could quickly flip it if I did not like it and bought the other used. I knew would only keep one and was not sure which I’d prefer. After 24 hours, I elected to keep the brushed SS non sterile dial, I am just not made for black watches I guess! J You may have read my posts in other threads about the Resco where I was on the fence only because of its $1400 price tag. I don’t mind spending that $ on a watch (if I have it in my watch fund only J ) but its specs seemed really out of synch with its price.. the mvt first, yeah yeah Iknow it’s different… but still at that price… one would expect better, the very low WR, and the good looking but nothing exceptional dial(no applied indices for example).. all in all, not bad specs but just not up to the price IMO. Anyways I decided to take a chance after reading its praises, rave reviews… After wearing two Patriots and inspecting them the past few days, I wanted to share my first impressions. They only represent my personal opinions and don’t read more into it than just that. Those who know me know I am pretty honest and courteous. The case is cool looking, not great but looks good. The SS finish is good, nothing great and in par with watches costing 1/3 and ½ its price. Some may find it small, the lugs don’t do much to make it wear bigger, but for me it is ok in size. I have a 7” wrist for reference. The lugs look a little odd to me but I love the hex screw bar, they make changing straps a breeze. The bezel looks good and is kept simple which I like. No ash marks all over and some will fins the 12hr bezel useful to track a second time zone I suppose. It turns with firm clicks and authority but is not tight, I like it a lot. The dial just looks very good but could be better with smaller font, especially for the word PATRIOT. That blue is not my favorite but it suits the watch in my opinion… again would be better with smaller font I think, much better. The big contrasting indices are well done, and make the watch very legible in my opinion. Their blue lume really looks cool but is not super bright, nothing major, doesn’t bother me that much. I love the hands, they fit this dial and the watch real well IMO. The movement may be durable, I am sure it is, but so are others so I still don’t quite understand why this one was chosen and especially at this price point. I mean come on… the movement does not even hack! I find that very annoying J The crown is wide in diameter but narrow and not the easiest to grab when screwed in. It wobbles just a tad but no biggy but most of all it is just rough to screw in, which is just unforgiveable at this price. I know it is not just my watch, my other one (DLC) was the same and others have experiences that same roughness. Just the way it is and I guess some will say it is part of its charm. To me at 1400$ I expect more. Comparing it to older Benarus Sea Devil and Boschett Cave Dweller at 450-550$, I feel these watches case finish was at least as good as the Resco Patriot’s, they had better WR and a proven Myota mvt which were very accurate for me and reliable and non hacking too. And now one can get a real nice Moray II and Remora for 500-600 with the new hackable Myota mvt! At 1400$, I can get a Zixen Nitrox II and have enough for another nice watch.. The Zixen is much better finished IMHO, has a better dial, comes on a bracelet, has a ETA 2824 mvt….. At $1400 I got a gently used Anonimo, Omega SMP, Doxa 5000.. heck at 950$ I got a vastly superior Korsbek Oceaneer with the ETA 2892 mvt, killer hand/dial combo, great crown operations…. Also a Fortis B42…. So even for the price of a used Resco 900-1000$, one can get an amazing watch superior to it in many areas… Overall I would say that the Patriot is just a real cool looking watch and wears really comfortable, but to me is just way overpriced for what it is and its looks can’t quite make up for it, even if I buy it used well under the $1400 price tag new. I love wearing it but the jury is still out on whether it’ll stay in the collection or I’ll sell it to use the $ for something of higher quality and specs. I hope I did not offend or piss off anyone but I want to provide honest feedback, some facts and my opinion…. Reviews can’t always be all positive. I do find the watch very attractive, mostly due to its dial and hand combo I think.  Thanks for reading, Brice Sorry for the cell phone pics.         |
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elemental 3T WIS
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i appreciate your candor, as ive been eyeing a couple on watchrecon...but cant pull the trigger due to the price and what youve mentioned above. it is also, not as good as my vortex, in a similar styled case. |
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stew77 Admin 
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Thanks for the up-front and honest comments Brice!!!! I very much value your opinion and thoughts amigo!!! ...from a distance, I've always sort of scratched my head at the specs and corresponding price of entry on these, so I really appreciate the insight. I do like the styling on these (sort of hints a bit at one of my favorites from Kobold, the AD)...looks like I should continue to keep my sites pinned on the AD though... |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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Interesting Brice! Interesting... I totally agree with you amigo: This is little watch for the buks...Let's say it frankly. Your comment and exemples about what a WIS could get for those 1400$ asked is exactly what I would come with. It seems like somes think that a high price-tag is the way to catch prestige and fame... I observed this trend going on, since a while and I still don't get it. I've seen many critisizing the "Patriot" inscription... I allways had this personnal feeling that the "Patriot" tag was trying to sell the high price tag by appealing the flag in the heart of the buyer. My opinion: Do one need any inscription like that on a watch? We are all patriots of one country somehow and it don't need to be written down a thing we look at constantly. This watch isn't worth more than 500$ and I don't pay 900$ for patriotism, I had it allready for free. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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So what movement does this watch use? Did I miss it? I appreciate your putting this up and want to let you know you are always free to express your personal opinion at 3T without fear of reprisal as we have friends and not sponsors so there is never a vested interest. Like you Brice, I have wondered what the appeal was to the Resco mark. Originally they were represented as being made by an operator for operators. Perhaps that's the reason for the "stealth" lume. Despite this oh so macho claim, the watch spec never matched the entry fee imho. Now if there were something here to really grab a WIS we might all sing a different tune. But plainly stated there isn't much to distinguish this watch from the pack aside from the over large Fonts used on the dial. As you can see I'm not a fan based on the presumptuous posturing of this watch. Just because someone tells me it's badass doesn't really make it so. You make a great point listing the numerous choices at this price point. And most rational WIS would agree. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Mark, the movement is a Russian Slava... http://www.timetechtalk.com/forum1/19803.html |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Correct it's NOS (I think) Slava twin barrel mvt which I think were sourced from LumTec who also used it in a few models. They removed the weak point of the mvt, being the date piece. Thanks for reading guys! I truly think it's a looker but I just question it's value... And looks are obviously subjective :) |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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I like the DLC version of the 2 Brice and appreciate your upfront review...you have come a long way grashopper! . |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I've got that movement in a Lume Tec I got on the inexpensive secondary market. Definitely a cool movement which is durable but not overly refined. And as you said Brice, quite a strange sensation winding and setting using the crown. This watch would be better served with a sweeter movement. Thanks to Will linking back to the original discussion I'm happy to see I am at least consistent. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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the winding grind is probably due to lack of lubrication that most of these older Russian watch movements suffered from...hopefully Lum Tec who assembled the Resco checked these movements out and lubed them accordingly... |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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I would say that this watch deserved at list a 2824-2 eta or a 9015 Miyota... "Military watches" should hack in my opinion. The 2824-2 is used in the SAR Marathon and is at the beginning famed for his ability to take the beating and never stop. I tested it myself(cold and shock test): It's a mean mvt. The 2801-2 is even more badass but not anymore automatic. Anybody who know if there is parts easyly available on the market for the Slava S-2427??? |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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I'm not sure about parts availability for this RW2427 Slava mvt nor ease of service by local Watchmakers. I have no expertise in that area, sorry :) I'm not saying it's a bad mvt either, I guess there is some charm to it and I do believe it's durable especially at18,800 only, but certainly there aremore refined and durable mvts outthere that are also "affordable" enough to squeeze in a 1400$ watch!!! Or is it just me?? I would even expect a top grade 2824 maybe?? But would be happy with the new hacking Myota!!! Thanks all for reading and for your input! |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Jeep99dad wrote:I'm not sure about parts availability for this RW2427 Slava mvt nor ease of service by local Watchmakers. I have no expertise in that area, sorry :) Totally agree Brice: At this price point, the case could be 1000m tight and housing a good grade 2824-2. Or a even 500m case with a 2892-2. Some "Swiss made" brands been doing it. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Yup. I love the 2892 and its always more accurate, thinner to squeeze in cases but I hear it's not as tough as the 2824? Also I like the irony of a Russian mvt in a "Patriot" watch :) |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Jeep99dad wrote:Yup. I love the 2892 and its always more accurate, thinner to squeeze in cases but I hear it's not as tough as the 2824? I would say that the 2824-2 isn't as refined as the 2892-2 and therefor less sensible on the field. Ofcourse the chronometer grade is most likely best on the 2892-2. Yes, specialy for an American "patriot" watch, a Russian mvt is paradoxal... Seems like the ending of the cold war is profitable for some guys  |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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I thought I'd post this from the company intro by the owner on another forum. It provides his opinion on the mvt as some expressed their concerns about the pricey Resco using this old modified non hacking Russian mvt. "I read some questions and concerns about the movement that I would like to address. YES, the movement is a Slava S-2427. Since, as some of you super sleuth smart guys have noticed, the dial is lacking the date feature that would normally be present on the 2427. I have chosen to have that part removed to simplify things. These movements are vintage NOS movements were chosen over an ETA-28XX after EXTENSIVE field testing in some pretty bumpy environments. I found that the only way I was able to stop the beat was to actually TRY and break the watch. In a nutshell, A RESCO Patriot prototype has been through every Phase of Navy SEAL training, to include Hellweek and came out ticking away. As we speak that same prototype is being vetted in the advanced training blocks at the Advanced Team level. It is scratched to hell but I'm not losing any sleep over the durability.....It'll be fine; the Patriot can take care of its self. I don't know of ANY OTHER company that can say this about their watches. But then again, I don't know of any other SEALs that design, build and test their products in an actual operational environment." Last edited on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 03:53 pm by Jeep99dad |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Jeep99dad wrote:I thought I'd post this from the company intro by the owner on another forum. It provides his opinion on the mvt as some expressed their concerns about the pricey Resco using this old modified non hacking Russian mvt. I've been reading this stuff before... First: A watch don't have to be guaranteed for such treatment to be able to pass it. He present the 2824-2 like a movement who would be too weak to withstand the SEAL training...? Bullcrap! Marathon uses the 2824-2 as I said earlyer and there's no surprise there. I tested it in the cold myself:http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=19567&forum_id=1&highlight=marathon+cold+test Remember that a watch on a living man's wrist would NEVER be exposed to so low temperature as the one I let in the snow all night. This is what the 2824-2 can take on low temperature: -13 celsius without going out of COSC specs. For the shock test: I was using my Seastar 1000 Tissot(housing a 2824-2) on the northern-most LNG plant(Snow white), working 12 hours a day in row for 14 days, hammering keys to free and lock bolted huge flanges before high pressure torquing... The 2824-2 took all the beating without any trouble, even when the 1kg hammer riped off from a key and accidently smashed right on the watch's face: To be said, if I didn't have the watch, my wrist's bones would have break in. The 2824-2 took it again. Honnestly: What is up there? The Slava was cheaper, that's for sure...Better? Prove it to me! |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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I don't disagree. I just wanted to post his message to give everyone more info. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Jeep99dad wrote:I don't disagree. I just wanted to post his message to give everyone more info. I know Brice...This message wasn't specialy posted for you my friend. Forgive my pagan mouth |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Brice may be you wanna send Will that watch and he can test the Slava in his operational environment!! Sounds brutal Will and I recall when you did that with the Tissot and put the Marathon through the deep freeze. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Paxman wrote:Brice may be you wanna send Will that watch and he can test the Slava in his operational environment!! Yes Mark, you recall it! I don't know how to find back my post about the Tissot accident... Anyway, I can tell that I worked until I puked my guts on the rig so the Navy-Seal training week can't be harder than that on a watch. I now use a watch housing a 2801-2(hand-cranker) because I don't want to abuse my automatic watches. The 2801-1 is so bad, that you would most likely ruine your joints with a pneumatic hammer before it gives up: This test, I've done it with 2 automatic Vostoks and they broke. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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1 of the major problems with the Slava 2427 was the date not changing and getting hung up so was it wise to leave it out on the Resco or a necessary precaution. ...the 2427 is a twin barrel..there are 5 gears instead of 2 winding the mainspring which the 2427 has 2 of(mainsprings) ...imo a less complicated movement ie:eta 2824/2892 would have been a better choice not only for dependability but also servicing as most watchmakers will not attempt working on a Russian movement...parts are also hard to come by if at all. ...again I don't believe any of this would even matter had the watch been priced lower...much lower. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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oagaspar wrote:1 of the major problems with the Slava 2427 was the date not changing and getting hung up so was it wise to leave it out on the Resco or a necessary precaution. You said it Oscar...The price builded out this discution... |
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elemental 3T WIS
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I will sum it up...;).. -Find vortex -wear vortex -prosper ;) |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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elemental wrote:I will sum it up...;)..  |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: elemental wrote: Well put!! |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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I think we all agree! Price is the main issue for sure. That said after wearing it all day, I've enjoyed it and got compliments for my friend who was in the army. He loved the story and wanted one until... I told him the price! :) It's too bad as it is a cool watch but apparently they have no problems selling them. The brown model by the way is beautiful! |
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cfm21665 3T WIS
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Jeep99dad wrote:I think we all agree! Price is the main issue for sure. I owned a Resco Patriot for about 1 month, purchased it on the secondary market and paid $900 for it. I liked the size and the dial/hand combo, but in the end it had too many rough edges from the low beat movement to the rough crown, to the bezel feeling tinny. I sold it for $900 so I didnt lose anything on it. Your observations are spot on in regards to the watch overall. P.S. I spent $1000 and picked up a Korsbek Oceaneer top grade 2892 and couldn't be happier with it. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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I to picked up an Oceaneer with the awesome 2892, amazing dial and hands as well, well finished case.... for under $1000 a little while ago and that's why I bourght it up for comparison in my review:) The Korsbel is just so muc better for the $. But I gotta say after wearing the patriot, there is just something about this watch that is just very appealing to the eye and it wears real nice. I got compliments to day on it from someone who is not a watch guy. It is a cool watch, too bad it is priced about 700-900 $ too high. |
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Dan01 3T WIS
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Thanks for the honest revew Brice. I do really like the look as well. Something very appealing and simple. But again it comes down to price to me as well. I had a Sinn U1 Sdr which I bought for the same price and that seemed to be a better value. Value is always a perceived thing though:). |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS 
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Thanks for sharing you insight on this one Brice! Very good, to the point and honest (as the best reviews are) Like the design, but it stops there for me. Read a lot about it from the RESCO site, and didn`t buy it (the arguments for the mvt OR the watch )And the price is a story of its own. |
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Graham 3T WIS 
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Brice, thanks for a most informative post, and also thank you to all who cimed in. This is the sort of info which is invaluable to us WIS! |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Thank you all. Appreciate the kind feedback! And additional info from those who chimed in and added their expertise. As of last night it's traded and shipping out today for someone else to enjoy. I'm glad I gave it a go and am excited about the next piece coming!:) |
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grider4821 3T WIS 
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Thanks for the review-this great looking piece has been on my radar as well but as a value junkie, I could never quite pull the trigger... |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Thanks! It's a real cool watch and beautiful on the wrist indeed. Price is my issue as posted. I hear their next watches maybe have a Swiss mvt. Looking forward to pricing. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Congrats and enjoy. |
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t0t0_b0y 3T WIS
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Looking really nice!! Congrats!! |
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