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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS 
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Reservation is now open for the Moray 2. A $100 discount opportunity is now available until July 9, 2010.
• 44mm 316L Stainless Steel Case • Automatic Helium Release Valve • 1000 Meters of Water Resistance • 120 Click Uni-Directional Bezel • C3 Superluminova on the hands, dial, and bezel • Double Domed Sapphire Crystal • Brushed, Bead Blasted, and PVD Cases Available • Polished Hands, Orange Minute Optional With Black and Blue Dials • Black, Brown, and Blue Dials, Brushed from the center out (sunbrushed) • 24mm Lugs for 24mm Straps • Both Brown and Black Leather Straps Included, New Design • Newly Designed Zip-Up Travel Case Details on our website: http://www.benaruswatches.com/moray Email Steve for information and the discount: SL@BENARUS.COM Some details are not yet finalized and subject to change (always for the better). More information will be available as we progress and finalize details. We will post any news or production photos on 3T and on our website blog.  |
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blbarron 3T WIS 
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Looks great Steve! Any chance a steel bracelet will be available as a seperate item for purchase once these are released? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Thanks! There will not be a bracelet with the Moray 2. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Oh la la I'm liking the brown and blue dart!! |
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kerosene 3T WIS 
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What is the projected thickness of the Moray 2? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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kerosene wrote:What is the projected thickness of the Moray 2? about 16-16.5, I am not sure yet. making the watch 1000m adds about 1-1.5mm to the thickness |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I am getting a lot of emails about the bracelet not being an option. So here is some inside info into why we made this decision. 1. The first Moray case and bracelet was made by a different factory. We are re creating the case of the Moray 2 with a new factory, we would have to re design and build a bracelet from scratch with a large minimum order. 2. Most people removed the bracelet on the Moray 1 and used custom straps. Believe me it was a nightmare with the Loc-Tite that the factory put on the lug bars, I was flooded with emails of frustrated customers damaging their watches and breaking screws trying to remove the bracelet. I put a lot of hours and shipping cost into having people send in their watches so I could take the bracelet off for them. The last few dozen Morays I personally loosened and replaced the screws before I shipped the watch and I asked the customer if they even wanted the bracelet on when I shipped it. 3. Creating a new bracelet at this time, with the added features of the new Miyota 9015 movement and the new 1000m case with auto HRV would increase the cost too much, I would estimate $100-$150 more and our goal is to have these near $500 not $700 (The 9015 is 3x the cost of the 8215 in the Moray 1). Our goal is to build the best quality watch possible and keep the cost for the customer down as low as possible. 4. The lug bar and screw design is going to be different, this is a detail that is subject to change and what I was referring to about details that could change. The screw bars are problematic, many people are damaging their watches and loosing screws. We are looking into a new lug bar set up. This is one reason that the old bracelets will probably not fit on a Moray 2. 5. The Moray watch case is perfect to use with custom made leather straps, rubber straps from many manufacturers, nato, zulu, and about anything that you can find in 24mm, so there is no shortage of straps out there. I personally have never had the bracelets on my 2 Morays. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Just a quick note: I answer every email usually with a long detailed answer. So due to the number of emails I receive, it could be up to 24 hours or more before you get a reply from me, but be sure that I will answer every email I receive. |
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GX9901 3T WIS 
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Steve Laughlin wrote: kerosene wrote: Here's hoping that it's closer to 16mm. One of the best things about the Moray 1 for me is that despite the large dimensions it didn't wear so big. Adding thickness might change that. I'd personally trade 500m of WR for the 1-1.5mm increase in thickness. Nevertheless, I will likely be ordering a Moray 2 because it's such an enticing package. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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One idea I had for a future watch was a 47mm Moray style case with the specs and height like the Megalodon. Something like the size that the adventurer Mike Horn is wearing here... so I welcome a slightly more robust case back for the Moray 2 |
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gt-tech 3T WIS 
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Great news Steve. I would love to buy the new Moray....... I really like the new dimensions and the price ... unfortunately the extra cost for customs makes it very expensive for me....  |
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Watchthis 3T WIS
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They look great Steve!!  |
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GX9901 3T WIS
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I ordered a brown dart dial Moray 2. Hopefully the additional thickness won't bother me too much. Looking forward to checking out the new Miyota 9015. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Steve all your points make sense on the bracelet question... thouhg I liked the one on the Moray 1. I'll be glad to pass on this one. I also wore mine mostly on strap. I really love the brown and blue dart dial! An the orange hand is a must! They oughtta sell quickly |
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blbarron 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote: One idea I had for a future watch was a 47mm Moray style case with the specs and height like the Megalodon. Something like the size that the adventurer Mike Horn is wearing here... Steve, you make that watch & I'm buying three of them!!!  Last edited on Wed Jun 23rd, 2010 01:00 pm by blbarron |
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Bead-Blasted 3T WIS 
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Steve Laughlin wrote:One idea I had for a future watch was a 47mm Moray style case with the specs and height like the Megalodon. Something like the size that the adventurer Mike Horn is wearing here... This is the statement I have waited for all along... Very good news. I have been away for quite a while now and happy to come back to see this! 47mm would make me VERY HAPPY!   |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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ok, back to the Moray 2, we have to finish these projects before we design a new watch. For people interested in the blasted finish I just confirmed that the bead blasting will be the same shade as the Megalodon and Worldiver blasting, which is a nice darker matte finish. The blasting materials are different in this factory than the Moray 1. |
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uhrenmarkus 3T WIS 
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I Like this Idea, 47mm is Music in my ears.  Regards Markus |
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Bead-Blasted 3T WIS
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Sorry to get OT... I love the brown and blue Darts... Perfect! |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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guys please remember this thread is about the Moray 2 that is 44mm, I don't want new readers to be confused. I am interested in making a 47mm but that can be a new thread in the future. I do love that watch on Mike Horn. There are lots of pics out there on Google for people interested in seeing them. Last edited on Wed Jun 23rd, 2010 01:55 pm by Steve Laughlin |
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Al Brewster 3T WIS
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Hey Steve, Any possibility that a PVD finish on the buckle will be available for those who order the case in PVD? Al |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I was on a camping trip this last weekend and I am playing catch up with emails this morning. If you emailed me Friday, Saturday, or Sunday I will be sending you the reply today. I will also be shipping the watches and parts purchased over the weekend today. - steve |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Steve Laughlin wrote: I was on a camping trip this last weekend and I am playing catch up with emails this morning. If you emailed me Friday, Saturday, or Sunday I will be sending you the reply today. I will also be shipping the watches and parts purchased over the weekend today. - steve Hard working folks need to play hard too. Camping trip sounds good. |
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stusk1 3T WIS
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Just ordered mine and paid the deposit. Blue/Brushed dial 9. I can't wait to get my hands on this as this will be my first Benarus Watch and I was gutted I missed out on the first Moray. I hope they look as good in the flesh!! |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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WHOO WHO! I just finished with all the emails from the weekend and today. Also shipped 3 Worldivers and 3 mesh bracelets today. I am caught up and it is only 4:20 |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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You da man! JUst sent you the payment! Iam so in for a Moray 2!! |
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tagkat 3T WIS
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Just bought a barracuda so have to scrounge yet again to add to the benarus collection. |
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MDF 3T WIS 
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Steve, I have a question, do you think you and Ralf may offer interchangeable bezels for the Moray II? Black, ceramic, or black with lume might be cool. Just thought I'd ask. I am about to pre-order the Moray II looks great but that's not a surprise! Thanks! Mark |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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MDF wrote:Steve, No changeable bezels or case backs this time. The bezels from the Moray 1 will not fit the Moray 2. The Moray 1 bezel was on pretty tight and some damaged the watches and bezels by not having the right tools or knowledge. The Moray 2 bezel will be even more secure and will be very difficult to remove. The casebacks were just not a popular item and we will no be making extras for the Moray 2. |
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kraeken 3T WIS
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Here's a seemingly dumb question- Though the Moray 1 bezel will not fit the Moray 2, will the Moray 2 bezel fit the Moray 1? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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The Moray 2 bezel will be more securely attached than the Moray 1 and if you try and remove it, you will probably damage the watch. If you managed to get it off, it probably won't fit the Moray 1 because we are rebuilding the case from scratch at a different factory and if it is a fraction of a millimeter different, it will not work right. |
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GX9901 3T WIS
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So the Moray 2 will use a brand new case compared to the Moray 1. Will this be obvious when the two watches are placed side by side (other than the difference in thickness)? Or will the difference be minor and not easily observed by the naked eye? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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it will look the same. Ralf said today that he could probably get the case back threads to be exact, so the old case back would screw on, I have the extra case backs for sale here, and that would give you the 1mm thinner watch. I am not saying this is going to happen, but he will see. with the thinner case back the pressure resistance would drop back to 500m instead of 1000m. The bezels will be more secure on the Moray 2, not that the Moray 1 was not secure... they were very tight, but if you try and remove a bezel from Moray2 you will probably bend the bezel, or scratch the watch case. The lug bars will be designed to take the single piece screw bar and we will also supply fat spring bars that fit the holes as well. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Sounds awesome! I am excited about this one Steve! Benarus rocks!  |
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stusk1 3T WIS
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Hi Steve, Will Benarus be producing a 24mm steel bracelet that could fit any of their watches? Or possibly just one for the Moray? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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stusk1 wrote:Hi Steve, All our watches have different shapes at the lugs, one bracelet will not fit every different design, unless it has no end links and is flat like a mesh bracelet. I am not sure why we need to produce a 24mm bracelet for all of our watches... the Barracuda came with one, the Sea Devil came with one, The Moray 1 came with one (and most took it off), the Megalodon came with one, The Remora will come with a 22mm, and the Moray 2 will not have one because we feel the watch looks best without a steel bracelet and most took them off of the Moray 1. there are plenty of sites with 24mm bracelets for sale. For more details on why we are not making a bracelet for the Moray 2, please read on page 1 of this thread, I am posting again below: 1. The first Moray case and bracelet was made by a different factory. We are re creating the case of the Moray 2 with a new factory, we would have to re design and build a bracelet from scratch with a large minimum order. 2. Most people removed the bracelet on the Moray 1 and used custom straps. Believe me it was a nightmare with the Loc-Tite that the factory put on the lug bars, I was flooded with emails of frustrated customers damaging their watches and breaking screws trying to remove the bracelet. I put a lot of hours and shipping cost into having people send in their watches so I could take the bracelet off for them. The last few dozen Morays I personally loosened and replaced the screws before I shipped the watch and I asked the customer if they even wanted the bracelet on when I shipped it. 3. Creating a new bracelet at this time, with the added features of the new Miyota 9015 movement and the new 1000m case with auto HRV would increase the cost too much, I would estimate $100-$150 more and our goal is to have these near $500 not $700 (The 9015 is 3x the cost of the 8215 in the Moray 1). Our goal is to build the best quality watch possible and keep the cost for the customer down as low as possible. 4. The lug bar and screw design is going to be different, this is a detail that is subject to change and what I was referring to about details that could change. The screw bars are problematic, many people are damaging their watches and loosing screws. We are looking into a new lug bar set up. This is one reason that the old bracelets will probably not fit on a Moray 2. 5. The Moray watch case is perfect to use with custom made leather straps, rubber straps from many manufacturers, nato, zulu, and about anything that you can find in 24mm, so there is no shortage of straps out there. I personally have never had the bracelets on my 2 Morays. |
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stusk1 3T WIS
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Ok Steve, That's cleared that up! Cheers. |
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BlueViper 3T WIS
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Thanks for the in depth reply on the moray 2 bracelet. It all makes sense but.. I will not be purchasing a Moray 2 specifically because it does not have a metal bracelet. Not everyone likes a leather strap on their diver. Just my .02. The watch looks great and I know you will sell them out as always..good luck! |
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MDF 3T WIS
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Happy 4th of July everyone! I couldn't resist  I just pulled the trigger on the Moray2, I went with #9 Brushed!I can't wait!!!!!  |
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Scart 3T WIS 
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MDF wrote: Happy 4th of July everyone! I couldn't resist I like your avatar  |
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MDF 3T WIS
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Scart wrote:MDF wrote:Happy 4th of July everyone! I couldn't resist Thanks now it has the black bezel on it! |
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ceebee 3T WIS 
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I just placed an order for #3 with brushed case and an orange minute hand. Now I have to decide if the brown dial and the orange minute hand will be too much like an Halloween watch????? |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS 
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NEED ANOTHER PIECE LIKE I NEED A hammer.gif..But ...I CRACKED & RESERVED #10 BEAD BLASTED...Damn you STEVE........... |
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bayoutiger23 3T WIS 
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Brushed #7 for me. This one should be awesome. |
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