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NEW: Dievas Reaper - Limited Edition of 50 pieces

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Posted: Wed Dec 15th, 2010 02:24 pm

Johnny P
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oagaspar wrote:
it would seem that the screw down crown and water resistancy in meters that are unreachable by human life have become crutch of many WIS believing that without the 2 a watch could not survive getting wet.
....unfortunately that leaves out a large segment of this hobby that do not have either and would most likely out perform many of the watches made by companies that claim the above whose QC is non existent because in most cases and I do mean cases it is only the watch case that is tested and not the final product and the company owner or rep is no wear near the manufacturing facility to oversee QC.
...water resistancy is not guaranteed to last any amount of time and can be altered in daily use by bumping or dropping your watch.I have a expensive watch in service right now because the crown tube came loose...this happened from just unscrewing the crown everytime I went to wear it and needed to set the time and date...as a WIS many of us have more than 1 watch and something as simple as extensive use of a screw down crown can cause problems....jmho

That's so true, caution with crown that has a strong spring, it puts a lot of pressure on the threads, every time you unscrew, and screw the crown it grind the threads down leading to crown and tube failure. That happen to me once it was repair under warranty. I did notice on the new crown less tension.

Posted: Wed Dec 15th, 2010 07:14 pm

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Here are photos watch is totally submerge in water. Not one issue.

Posted: Wed Dec 15th, 2010 10:29 pm

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Sitting in a glass or tank of water is nothing like even snorkeling ten feet under or swimming in a surf or getting drenched by waves on a sailboat. As far as whether a watch has a screw down crown is not totally relevant. The Fortis B-42 is also a pilot watch without a screw down crown --they abandoned the original screw down crown due to problems in the older ones--and still have a 200m rating. My point is why take all the trouble to harden the steel and make a "stealth watch" which is supposedly geared for rough treatment and action when the water-resistance is still very much in the minimal range acceptable for anything.

Posted: Wed Dec 15th, 2010 11:20 pm

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Watchthis wrote:
Sitting in a glass or tank of water is nothing like even snorkeling ten feet under or swimming in a surf or getting drenched by waves on a sailboat. As far as whether a watch has a screw down crown is not totally relevant. The Fortis B-42 is also a pilot watch without a screw down crown --they abandoned the original screw down crown due to problems in the older ones--and still have a 200m rating. My point is why take all the trouble to harden the steel and make a "stealth watch" which is supposedly geared for rough treatment and action when the water-resistance is still very much in the minimal range acceptable for anything.

You made the comment

" I'm afraid to spill a beer on it let alone forget it's there on my wrist and plunge into the water with it."

The watch is rated at 50 meters. If you want deeper buy the Fortis, and dive 200 meters, let me know how that works out for you.

Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2010 12:14 am

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Johnny, Johnny, i don't know why you're getting so wound up (forgive the pun) All I'm saying is that a designated water resistance has nothing to do with how deep one can actually go. Besides that standards dictate that the stamped rating only needs to be sustained for 90 seconds!
As I said, my point is that Dievas is charging good money for a high tech piece in all aspects except you can't even safely ride a jet-ski with it!
Here is an article from a major watch reseller:

Water Resistance
Water Resistance. The ability of the case of a watch to resist the intrusion of moisture is called its water resistance. Often times, a watch buyer will think that when he is buying a watch water resistant to 30 meters, he can swim with it since he wont be going deeper than 30 meters in any event.

Water resistance ratings of watches are a bit misleading. The water resistance rating of a watch is based on laboratory pressure tests comparable to gently lowering that watch into still water to the certified depth.

For example, when a watch is rated water resistant to 30 meters or 3 ATM (3 atmospheres), it means that it can survive being lowered in still water to a depth of 30 meters. The other lesser know part is that, it is only certified to witstand the pressure of 30m, for a period of 90 seconds. It is tested for be resistant to water for a period of 30 minutes at the pressure equivalent to a depth of 1 meter. Why, because the meter value does not reflect actual diving depth, but to air pressure.

Diving into a pool or moving your arms in a freestyle motion while swimming creates more pressure than that found in still waters 30m below the surface. For all practical intents and purpose a watch with 30m water resistance should simply be not used in the water. Think of it as more of protection against accidental exposure to water. I would recommend that you do not even let it get hit by a direct flow of water from a household sink.

"For a watch to be used safely while swimming, I would recommend one with at least a 100 meter water resistance rating. This is fine for swimming or snorkeling close to the surface, but not for any kind of diving. If you are buying a watch to be used specifically for use with water sports like jet-skiing or diving (without scuba gear) than at least a rating of 200 meters water resistant would be advisable."

Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2010 12:58 am

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I don't know who wrote that info above Watchthis but it is 1 persons opinion based on?
...The Reaper is a Tactical Pilots watch...chances are if the plane and pilot end up in the water it really doesn't matter much what it is rated at imo...
...as with all the LE watches with a low#count that Anders has built in the past wind up selling out and become much desirable and sought after by those who missed out...they also hold and in some cases increase in value .
...the Reaper obviously is not made for everyone... imo the design is awesome...that along with the black 6Steel...yellow lume and exhibition caseback revealing the custom Dievas rotor was the selling point for me as well as the reputation of Anders past LE models.The Reaper will make a great stable mate for my growing Dievas collection.
Wikpedia:
Water Resistant 50m: Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkeling water related work, and fishing.
NOT suitable for diving.

Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2010 01:25 am

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Watchthis wrote:
Johnny, Johnny, i don't know why you're getting so wound up (forgive the pun) All I'm saying is that a designated water resistance has nothing to do with how deep one can actually go. Besides that standards dictate that the stamped rating only needs to be sustained for 90 seconds!
As I said, my point is that Dievas is charging good money for a high tech piece in all aspects except you can't even safely ride a jet-ski with it!
Here is an article from a major watch reseller:

Water Resistance
Water Resistance. The ability of the case of a watch to resist the intrusion of moisture is called its water resistance. Often times, a watch buyer will think that when he is buying a watch water resistant to 30 meters, he can swim with it since he wont be going deeper than 30 meters in any event.

Water resistance ratings of watches are a bit misleading. The water resistance rating of a watch is based on laboratory pressure tests comparable to gently lowering that watch into still water to the certified depth.

For example, when a watch is rated water resistant to 30 meters or 3 ATM (3 atmospheres), it means that it can survive being lowered in still water to a depth of 30 meters. The other lesser know part is that, it is only certified to witstand the pressure of 30m, for a period of 90 seconds. It is tested for be resistant to water for a period of 30 minutes at the pressure equivalent to a depth of 1 meter. Why, because the meter value does not reflect actual diving depth, but to air pressure.

Diving into a pool or moving your arms in a freestyle motion while swimming creates more pressure than that found in still waters 30m below the surface. For all practical intents and purpose a watch with 30m water resistance should simply be not used in the water. Think of it as more of protection against accidental exposure to water. I would recommend that you do not even let it get hit by a direct flow of water from a household sink.

"For a watch to be used safely while swimming, I would recommend one with at least a 100 meter water resistance rating. This is fine for swimming or snorkeling close to the surface, but not for any kind of diving. If you are buying a watch to be used specifically for use with water sports like jet-skiing or diving (without scuba gear) than at least a rating of 200 meters water resistant would be advisable."

I'm not getting wound up sound like you are.

I know all of that can't teach an old dog new tricks bro. Have you ever wonder if the watch can handle more like 100 meters and Dievas decided to stamp 50 meters because it's a pilot watch. ( my opinion) A few company do this to be on the safe side because the model wasn't intended for diving or they don't want you to use it for that purpose.

Let me help you out the question should be to Dievas is.

Dievas when are you building a dive watch with 6steel, eta movement, screw down crown, with at least 500 meters water resistance similar to the Reaper?

That wasn't hard, have a good night

His prices are fair, try finding a watch with these spec for what he is charging.

Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2010 02:10 am

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It's a Tactical Pilot Watch and not a Tactical Dive Watch. Tactical on this watch infers rugged, shock resistant, scratch resistant and stealth (i.e. black PVD case). Pilot would infer activities other than diving or swimming to me.

Now if Dievas had named this model a Tactical Diver and included a rubber dive strap, I would be more concerned with its 50 meter rating.

Posted: Thu Dec 16th, 2010 06:05 am

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Just a quick update of the Reaper on a PVD NATO Strap. This just adds to the overall sinister/tactical looks.

Let me explain the rational behind the whole design of the Reaper. The Reaper was conceived initially in November 2009 as a tactical Pilot watch. And as with all Dievas models, we put a twist to the monotonous Pilot design.

Now the crown and water resistance questions.

First the crown, the crown does sit flush with the case. The closeup pictures might look otherwise. Remember, the stem on each and every watch is calibrated and fine tuned to the smallest micrometer for a flush crown to case fit by our watchmaker.

For those who might have missed it.
Here is a picture of our watchmaker fine adjusting the stem.

And the question about water resistance. All Dievas watches are tested according to ISO standard AND BEYOND. So if our watch is rated to 50meters, it usually means it passes the 50meters test and beyond.

Eg. our Vortex is tested to 500m but it can actually take 600m without any problem.

Better to under-promise and over-deliver. That is why we take pride in each and every specifications of our watch.

Like what Johnny said, if you want a Dievas 6STEEL or 6STEELBLACK with screwdown crown and 500m water resistant and rubber strap and etc etc. Please sit back and enjoy what we have in store for you in 2011 and 2012. We will have a line of watches in store for you dive and tactical watch connoisseur from now till December 2012.

For those sitting on the fence for the Reaper, you got to hurry. We have almost 50% sold.

Meanwhile, Merry Christmas to everyone here and a Greater NEW YEAR.

I will also like to take this opportunity to say THANK YOU to everyone who have supported Dievas Watch Company over the years. You know who you are. We won't be here manufacturing these fantastic watches without your support.

Sincerely
Anders
Dievas Watch Company

Last edited on Thu Dec 16th, 2010 06:15 am by anders213

Posted: Fri Dec 24th, 2010 08:52 pm

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I'm very excited about more 6STEELBLACK watches!

Posted: Thu Jan 13th, 2011 08:32 pm

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I'm James Avila with General Atomics Aeronautical Systems. Here is a picture of my Reaper watch with one of my MQ-9 Reaper office posters in the background.

Attachment: Reaper Watch.GIF (Downloaded 107 times)

Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2011 07:53 pm

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anders213 wrote:

For those sitting on the fence for the Reaper, you got to hurry. We have almost 50% sold.

Are there any Reapers left?
/Henrik

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