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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 11:51 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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The Paneristi seem to be with the recent discovery of base Unitas movements in their high end Pam 318's...but on the side of fairness,Panerai did advertise this SE model as having a untouched by Panerai movement inside! http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1319322410/318+pictures+update.++Sorry+can%27t+respond+to+emails Attachment: 318 panerau rr.jpg (Downloaded 210 times)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 12:43 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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Yes, I've seen an old model selling with a usual 6497...For a sh¨t scary price and posted it there: http://www.timetechtalk.com/forum10/23385.html Strangely, nobody reacted... The pics you show Oscar, are presenting the lowest grade of 6497 one can find on the market...Shame. blah.gif This model or grade is called for "basic" (it's a blasted surface) and those in the Panys are "new old stocks" apparently. After is coming the "hammered" surface then the "côtes de Genève", then the "perlage" and then the "circular grain" or "circular côtes de Geneve" at last in finish quality, if I don't mistake or forget one...Then the "skeletonised". Last edited on Mon Oct 24th, 2011 01:09 pm by Hammerfjord |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 01:15 pm |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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I'd not be pissed because I wouldn't have bought it and spent that much $ on it in the first place though I still think it's ridiculous. Steinharts hand-crankers looks better for 400$
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 01:59 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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This is the movement of my cheap home-made homage: 6497 Gold plated, perlage finish and blue screws: I outclassed Panerai!  
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 02:24 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Hammerfjord wrote: Yes, I've seen an old model selling with a usual 6497...For a sh¨t scary price and posted it there: http://www.timetechtalk.com/forum10/23385.htmlthe movement in the pic of your link is a 6497-2 that beats at 21,600,and is a chronometer grade(note larger balance wheel with spokes)...which was the slightly modified movement used in many Panerais,among a list of other known movements...the one in the pic above(Pam318) looks like base 6497,and although it's hard to tell if the balance wheel is smaller,it does not have the spoked version which would denote a Top or Chronometer grade movement...which if it is a base Unitas 6497-1 would only beat at 18,800...that would p me off!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 02:43 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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oagaspar wrote:Hammerfjord wrote:Yes, I've seen an old model selling with a usual 6497...For a sh¨t scary price and posted it there: http://www.timetechtalk.com/forum10/23385.htmlthe movement in the pic of your link is a 6497-2 that beats at 21,600,and is a chronometer grade(note larger balance wheel with spokes)...which was the slightly modified movement used in many Panerais,among a list of other known movements...the one in the pic above(Pam318) looks like base 6497,and although it's hard to tell if the balance wheel is smaller,it does not have the spoked version which would denote a Top or Chronometer grade movement...which if it is a base Unitas 6497-1 would only beat at 18,800...that would p me off! Yes, I could see the flair-spokes on the balance...Even that, I think it's hideous to sell it for 15000$... What I was meaning is that the bridges are even not modified or worked out other than usual Côtes de Genève... I already find the basic Pany with fully modified 6497 a bit too expensive for a non-in-house movement and there's also rumors that it's the Asian workshop of Soprod who decorate the whole bridges there... All in all, the only Pany who would tempt me would be the ones with the new in-house movements: If I would decide to buy a Pany...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 02:58 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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this is the movement in my Precista Italiano/PRS-20LE(hand finished Soprod)...at $1500. in 2006,some may have thought a bit high for a homage,but it was well worth the wait and dollars spent imo...note screwed balance and blued swan neck regulator...something more in line as to what should be expected in a Panerai imho. Attachment: 004.JPG (Downloaded 188 times)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 03:21 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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oagaspar wrote:this is the movement in my Precista Italiano/PRS-20LE(hand finished Soprod)...at $1500. in 2006,some may have thought a bit high for a homage,but it was well worth the wait and dollars spent imo...note screwed balance and blued swan neck regulator...something more in line as to what should be expected in a Panerai imho. I agree Oscar, this is the minimum grade a Panerai should house before any bridge modification on a 6497....But apparently they think that a case and a dial/hands made by them are enough to set the price high and since the movement is not showing, why not put a 100$ movement and sell it for few thousands 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 07:46 pm |
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rob.winter 3T WIS 
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I think it's unforgivable for Panerai to sell unmodified movements in any of their watches, at least at the prices they are asking.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 09:15 pm |
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elemental 3T WIS
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that is a really really really expensive case :/
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 09:55 pm |
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stew77 Admin 
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You guys nailed it...and I would agree 100%! ...to develop a SPECIAL EDITION, market the movement as a non-COSC certified, but "special" movement, the Panerai OP XXIX Calibre... hmmm...almost sounds legendary. If I paid for this Special Edition, and then found this out, I would be mad.gifto say the least. At the price point they are asking, this is both sick and wrong. Hopefully, people find the case work well worth the price of entry!  ...maybe they can charge more for going 'old school' on the movement.Last edited on Mon Oct 24th, 2011 09:56 pm by stew77 |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24th, 2011 11:07 pm |
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ericf 3T WIS 
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When i bought my panerai i specifically only wanted one with the in house movement to mentally help me justify the price of admission. I would not cough up that kind of money for a stock movement.
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