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| Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 10:05 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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funny that any WIS...Paneristi or not are actually justifying this ....had this been a micro brand,WIS would be calling for their heads,and running them out of town! ...it's not unusual for high end Swiss brands to dump cheap movements in watches and charge huge $$$,or out source production to China and still call it Swiss Made,but when they get caught WIS need to call them out and hold them accountable. ...one Paneristi made a great comment about the PAM318 SE that made me laugh!:"Instead of the Brooklyn Bridge, the Manhattan Bridge would have been more befitting. It's closer to Chinatown..."...I really hope Panerai responds in a manner befitting the brand...funny thing about this hobby is,that this model may end up being a huge collectible because of what ended up inside!... 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 10:33 am |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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oagaspar wrote:funny that any WIS...Paneristi or not are actually justifying this ....had this been a micro brand,WIS would be calling for their heads,and running them out of town! You are so right: Some WIS are so "on them knees" worshiping some brands that they could nearly wear a dried seagull crap mounted on a bracelet just because it's branded  Those basic movements Panerai used are completely out of class compare to them profile and if they wasn't as arrogant as they seem to be, they would never have authorize a such miserable movement housing. What a blow on them reputation I would say! Paper-flat excuses should be on the way if they own a bit of pride...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 12:40 pm |
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mellons 3T WIS
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apparently this is a rep- the owner posted the thread just to cause a bit of turbulence over on 'risti....
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 01:36 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Well, I can see from the paneristi forum´s comments made about the watches that there is many "paneristi posers" who don't know much about movements and the big difference between modified & in-house or even modified/ameliorated/decorated/adjusted and raw movements... Posting that it don't matter because the movement isn't showing and decoration isn't needed since it's the same movement anyway? LOL So it's all about decoration now? Or is it also about modifications who gives an ETA better performance over time...? Anybody who would have open those raw movements and look at them through high magnification, would have known that they sometimes even hide steel dust/splinters, unpolished steel thorns peaking out parts and corrosion spots: Specially when NOS, like those seems to be. I can tell that it's no joy to look inside them compare to a well finished version, believe me...Precision plays much inside this. Those guys buy Panerai for the look and the brand: They don't have much concern about the mechanic...Some even thought that the engraved case-back made it back in value for the movement's grade as this Pam model was kind of low priced? WTF??? LMAO For sure, this model was reserved to them and maybe a well deserved swindle if they bought it. 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 01:55 pm |
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stew77 Admin 
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Hammerfjord wrote: Well, I can see from the paneristi forum´s comments made about the watches that there is many "paneristi posers" who don't know much about movements and the big difference between modified & in-house or even modified/ameliorated/decorated/adjusted and raw movements... Agree 100% William!  and others have stated as well...in considering the Panerai brand, if and when I ever go for a PAM, I will be sure it is an in-house movement (I personally can't justify the price point otherwise - but everyone has their own opinion). Great point too about movement quality, components, and finish...great movement decoration alone does not necessarily make for a great movement !!!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 09:08 pm |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Does Panerai disclose the mvt in its specs? If so, and I was buying the watch for X 1000's, knowingly, then why would I be pisses off or disappointed? I got what was advertised and IMO made a bad decision OR didn't care to look and just bought it for the brand name in which case I'd probably wouldn't know the difference or care :) I'm an idiot :) Now if I was led to believe or told that I was buying a highly mofldified super super mvt or in house mvt, and I got this instead... Yeah I'd be pisses. That aside I most definitely agree it's pitiful for Panerai to do this! Extremely disappointed to have seen this eventhough I would buy one myself.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 01:17 am |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Thanks Chris. Well, I would even prefer a decorated movement even it would not be showing: They have a finer finish with cleaner parts...Generally the finish goes with the quality grade and also tuning to say it like that: Finer movements are generally timed also as they present a higher effort from the maker even they are hided... That's anyway my general experience. Also as is saying Oscar as well as another guy on this forum's discussion, Panerai used to put 21000 bph movements who are rather more precise than the usual 18000 bph eta/unitas 6497... Brice: This model seem to be announced as a "non cosc", I don't think Panerai advertise it as housing a basic grade movement but who knows... If you look closely, you can even see 4 bad rips/scratches on one of the movements showing up front: Doesn't look like the guy made it himself when opening the watch, that would be very wierd and it's generally sign of bad storage over the time, as NOS movements... Last edited on Wed Oct 26th, 2011 01:24 am by Hammerfjord |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 10:45 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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Geeessshhhh!!! There should be a public stoning ceremony for this. I guess many WIS also just blindly follow some brands and all of a brand's miscues and quickly brush aside certain missteps in the interest of protecting their vested interests.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 11:39 am |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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It's just plain disappointing to see Panerai can't even counterfeit their own watches as well as the Chinese can...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 11:43 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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OldeCrow wrote: It's just plain disappointing to see Panerai can't even counterfeit their own watches as well as the Chinese can...LMAO!....at least now it will be easier to spot the fake 318...it will be the one with the decorated Asian 6497-2 high beat! 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 11:45 am |
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mellons 3T WIS
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LOL
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 01:40 pm |
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Johnny P Advisor 
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I love my Black Diamond even more now! To bad it doesn't have the Singapore Bridge ingraved on the back I probably could get $20,000 for it  
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