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rare m5 3T WIS
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Which is more tactical? Sinn 757 or Fortis B-42   I'm thinking Sinn.... Last edited on Mon Aug 13th, 2007 02:25 am by rare m5 |
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teddyhanna Guest
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I like the look of the Fortis alot, but the Sinn has that full on tactical look. The black and white bounce off each other well with the Sinn. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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That Sinn is sweet. |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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I believe that either would work as well as the other, and you would be served by either equally well. One of these days you may want to look into a watch that has a reverse count down bezel on it. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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I voted for the Sinn... just looks more "tactical" inho... I would love to wear either of these... |
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NANDO-FERDZ 3T WIS 
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SINN for me... |
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James Haury 3T WIS
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On this question I am a Sinn)er .We should ideally ask a Seal, Ranger, or SWC although any former or present serviceman with land based or amphibious combat experience will do. Last edited on Mon Aug 13th, 2007 10:17 am by James Haury |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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What are you saying James that with your experience, you may believe that the 7750 has the possibility of not holding up to the recoil of HEAVY arms fire?:D They need a lot of shock protection don't they.hand6.gif  |
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James Haury 3T WIS
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My combat experience is nil.My mobilization consisted of being a member of the auxiliary security force onboard Nab little Creek.While I may have fired my weapon at the range to qualify I am not sure if I wore a watch or not .Thankfully I never had to shoot anyone or even pepper spray them although I drew down once.I served during the the Afghan war and Operation Iraqi freedom but I was stateside.What I mean is the Sinn being mostly black in my opinion would be less likely to reflect light.I would defer to the judgement of others with more experience in these matters I.E SEALS etc.I apolagize if anyone thought I was implying combat experience. P.S my edit on the last post consisted of adding an L.It did not change the content in any way except to correct the spelling. Last edited on Mon Aug 13th, 2007 10:20 am by James Haury |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS 
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My vote is for Sinn, although I think the Fortis is a better looking watch in this particular comparison. I've been very interested in the Fortis watches lately, and was especially torn between a Fortis Professional Chronograph, and the Sinn 103 St Sa Ar that I ended up buying from Onkel C. One of the reasons I went with the Sinn is that it seems that Sinn packs alot more technology into their watches (please correct me if I'm worng). I couldn't find any information about the Fortis to lead me to believe it is anything more than a good looking 7750 with a heavy build and awesome bracelet (but plain clasp)?? No anti-magnetic properties, no moisture management, no hardened surfaces, and a modest WR rating. I'm not trying to dump on Fortis, trust me, I like them alot and plan on buying one soon, but if there is someone that can enlighten me to the reason for their premium prices, please do. The Fortis website is very bland. Mark |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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The Fortis has a long Space Fleight History. If you do not know much about it, look it up it is a good company. They make the Fleigher and the Spacematic colections, they have experience at high stress situations. Hope this helps http://www.fortis-watch.com/start/frameset.html http://www.fortis-watch.com/en/history/frameset.html |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Hi Eric, I have done quite a bit of reading about their history, and spoken with some people that absolutely love the Fortis brand. But I still haven't found any direct information regarding technology in their current line. For example, I have a Hamilton X-wind with a V7750, heavy solid bracelet, excellent dial and case detailing, bezel, display back, and can be bought for $500-700. Hamilton also has a long history, providing watches for troops etc, but this has very little influence on today's Hamilton watches besides styling and name choice. I'm trying to figure out if Fortis is riding shoulders of their history, or if they are continuing to innovate and improve? Again, not trying to degrade Fortis, just want to uderstand the brand and the products. p.s. despite my inquiry about Fortis, I'm on the cusp of buying a B-42 Marinemaster. I guess I'll find out through hands on experience. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I like Mark's comments on the differences between the two watches. As an owner of both a Sinn and a Fortis I will state my opinion that a Fortis lacks nothing when compared to Sinn. And I certainly am not implying Mark has made that distinction. For this comparison I went Sinn simply because I find the dial more legible. I am certain either of the two would stand up to stiff punishment. Sinn really does pack a lot of punch into their watches, designing them purposely to withstand extreme temperatures, magnetism and moisture. As for my 256TA, the thing is the only 7750 I have left and has never let me down though worn roughly from time to time.  Fortis in collaboration with Rosaviacosmos, the Russian Space Agency, has built their watches to withstand extreme conditions. I believe Fortis holds the distinction of having the first automatic winding chronograph in space. Fortis watches have also spent plenty of time in extravehicular space where temperatures can vary from -150C to +180C depending on whether or not you are in shadow or sunlight. Fortis has taken feedback directly from cosmonauts on their needs and performance. While my Fortis is only a three hander and has only been with me short while, I can say the watch is extremely solid inside and out. I too wondered at why Fortis commanded such a premium, but when I saw CJ's B-42 Marinemaster I knew the thing was virtually bombproof. The premium was well deserved...  So really this a toss up. I guess Fortis commands just as heavy a toll as Sinn and for good reason in my mind. I also just wanted to gratuitously post some pix of my pair... |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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MarkJnK wrote: p.s. despite my inquiry about Fortis, I'm on the cusp of buying a B-42 Marinemaster. I guess I'll find out through hands on experience. Which Marinemaster, Mark?? Are you going chrono or three hander? May be GMT? Lemme live vicariously through you... |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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The short answer is no they are nothing alike. Not to many parts in the 7750 of the Fortis is the same as the Hamilton/Swatch. The Fortis is a Chronometer grade movement and has been well fit and thick dials that withstand 13 to 15 G's of force.  |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Both are right there but the black rubber band pushes it to a more tactical look with the Sinn for me. ;) |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Thanks for that info and pics. I guess it is just me, but I don't see a big difference in the movements in those pics, apart from the flared spokes of the balance wheel and slightly different finishing on the rotor. Also, I haven't read anywhere that the V7750 in the Fortis was chronometer grade, the website states "V7750, decorated rotor" for most of their chronograph movements. If the chronos are using Chronometer grade V7750 movements, Fortis does not make that info readily available. Thanks for letting me know. p.s. where on earth did you dig up those shots on such short notice??? Last edited on Mon Aug 13th, 2007 12:01 pm by MarkJnK |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Paxman wrote: MarkJnK wrote: I was originally looking at the Chronos, but that niche was filled with the Sinn 103 St Sa Ar. Now I am looking at the B-42 Marinemaster in that glorious white luminous face... or a Stowa Seatime...  |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Do not worry about it, one day you will be able to recognize the different levels of movements by just looking at them. That is the fun of it and why we all talk here in order to make informed decisions, but just because you do not see the difference does not mean that there is not one. Keep coming back and do some searches from JohnyP he knows how to get the info from Adobe files posted on the site. I have not learned how yet. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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LOL, yes I guess I am showing my inexperience here!! Thanks for helping me out. I get frustrated when companies such as Fortis have totally inadequate websites. They obviously have a loyal following and a nice product line, but tell us next to nothing about their watches other than they were worn on this flight or that mission. I want to know about the watch. Their marketing tean could use a lesson from Sinn and Ball. Anyhoo, I'll likely be giving a Fortis a try and formulate my own opinions from there. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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MarkJnK wrote: Paxman wrote:MarkJnK wrote: Either of those is a great pickup!! May be this will sway you... I don't have a Stowa but have handled CJ's and it is quite nice. But I can say without a doubt you would not be disappointed with the lume dial B-42!!  |
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rare m5 3T WIS
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Both have v7750 movements and both withstand over 200 .40 recoils. Both never missed a beat. I went through a lots of ammo with them. Sinn has the tegemented case that withstand scratches vs Fortis' sand blasted case. Rubber band on Sinn is better on hard surfaces vs. ss band on Fortis. I know Marinemaster comes with rubber band. Both are highly legible and lume on Fortis is tad better than Sinn. Can you guess which is bigger watch? Fortis is tad bigger and taller than Sinn because of bezel. Last edited on Mon Aug 13th, 2007 12:36 pm by rare m5 |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Than you need to upgrade to a larger caliber. |
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James Haury 3T WIS
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Aughhhhh! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Looks like I'm going against the grain here by choosing the Fortis. While I like Sinn, the 757 doesnt have a seconds hand (unless you start the chrono). Course you could throw in a wild card - Damasko.... |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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srh_pres wrote: Looks like I'm going against the grain here by choosing the Fortis. While I like Sinn, the 757 doesnt have a seconds hand (unless you start the chrono). Course you could throw in a wild card - Damasko.... Oooh that is nice. I need to find out more about that Damasko. hand6.gif |
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rare m5 3T WIS
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Damasko looks sweet. I like the fact that it also has weekday and date. |
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