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BENARUS 3T WIS 
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Some pics from case and bezel. To avoid any misunderstandings the #1 will be improved to a bigger diameter for the lume ring, because I won't no gap between dial ring and case and the lume dial gets NO date window               |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS 
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looks great! I wish I knew Jacque Cousteau and was diving off the Calypso in the 1950s. Maybe I can find a hat like Jacque's and wear it with my Moray to the neighborhood pool! |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf, Looks fantastic... I love the case, bezel, dial.... only thing I suggest is perhaps trying a sample w/ the white lume ? Or how about light blue lor orange lume on on the black dial? Jim |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Jim, the dial factories are not really happy about making samples, I am glad to get from 2 different factories. Don't forget I make only small orders Ralf Montauk wrote: Ralf, |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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i like the greenish lume, it has a certain vintage "Italian" style to it. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf, I leave it to you and Steve to figure out what is best. My choice is BGW9 or blue tint ? .... Seiko Black Monster looks great in the dark, but mostly during the day, the greenish lume color in natural light on the flat black dial is not attractive to my eyes. Who knows, I could be wrong, a slight tint adds to the vintage look, and gives the dial more warmth? Jim |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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Lookin good...........hand6.gif |
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captobvious 3T WIS 
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Looks great! I love, love, LOVE the dart dial with the vintage green lume! It looks fantastic, even as just a mock-up! |
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slinky469 3T WIS 
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captobvious wrote: Looks great! I love, love, LOVE the dart dial with the vintage green lume! It looks fantastic, even as just a mock-up! I agree  ...I cant wait for my #1 dial.. |
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serser 3T WIS
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That case and bezel looks awesome!!!  Last edited on Thu Mar 19th, 2009 03:16 pm by serser |
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CRO 3T WIS 
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Those are pretty snappy lookin'. I just need to find some money. ...stupid economy!:cool: Cheers Ryan |
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romeo-1 3T WIS 
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Looks Great! I can't wait until June!! |
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chunkychew 3T WIS 
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Lookin' great Ralf! The dart dial is perfect with the green-tint lume! yourock.gif |
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kdsarch 3T WIS 
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Looks great. I am with Montauk on this one. I think that the blue number 4 dial would look better with the white lume as reflected in the original drawing. Probably the same goes for the green dial. I think all the other dials looks great with the c3 lume. |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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I've lost track of a few things about the Moray...Are the numbers white or off white/greenist????? |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Because most like the C3 they are a bit greenish Gregger wrote: I've lost track of a few things about the Moray...Are the numbers white or off white/greenist????? |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Looks great. I'm starting to warm up more to the #4 sea foam dial. Any chance you can post a shot in more direct sunlight? |
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jfstrat 3T WIS
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Just a quick question - don't the numbers (15, 30, 45) on the bezel normally face the dial instead of facing out? Every other dive watch I have or have seen has the numbers facing the dial. Very cool watch though - I can't wait to get one. I just need to decide on my dial color (#4 or #6). So many choices... My first post on here, by the way. Although I've been lurking for a few weeks! :) Ralf seems to certainly be a very busy man. He's been extremely patient with all my emails and questions - great customer service!!! Jeff Last edited on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 11:11 am by jfstrat |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Interesting observation -- but in my opinion it looks good, and opens up the bezel and makes the watch seem bigger, because your eye is drawn to the outside edge of the bezel, as opposed to reading toward the bottom of the number, ie. toward the inside of the dial. Easily works in the position shown... it would be interesting to learn if this was an intentional design? Jim jfstrat wrote: Just a quick question - don't the numbers (15, 30, 45) on the bezel normally face the dial instead of facing out? Every other dive watch I have or have seen has the numbers facing the dial. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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I have to agree, I like the numbers as they are facing outward. |
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sooner76 Guest
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The numbers are a prototype mistake. On a dive watch with a rotating bezel, the bottom of the numbers should be adjacent to the dial, and the top of the numbers adjacent to the outer edge of the bezel. |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Sorry to tell you it is not a mistake it will be made like on the sample sooner76 wrote: The numbers are a prototype mistake. On a dive watch with a rotating bezel, the bottom of the numbers should be adjacent to the dial, and the top of the numbers adjacent to the outer edge of the bezel. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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RALF, I think it looks great because the watch looks bigger... the bezel numbers draw the eye to the outside edge of the case. My only problem is deciding to order a second Moray w/ black dial or the special Moray green... waiting for a green dial pic so I can decide. Thanks, Jim BENARUS wrote: Sorry to tell you it is not a mistake it will be made like on the sample |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Most of the time the bezel is going to be with BIP at 12 o'clock.... if you look at the bezel the number 30 is oriented at 6 o'clock. If the numbers face inward then the 30 would be upside down. So, it makes sense to have the numbers in this position, because for the most of the "time" the bezel is aligned at 12. It is an interesting dilemma because no matter which way the numbers point, at some time the numbers will be upside down as the bezel is rotated. sooner76 wrote: The numbers are a prototype mistake. On a dive watch with a rotating bezel, the bottom of the numbers should be adjacent to the dial, and the top of the numbers adjacent to the outer edge of the bezel. |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Jim, I guess and hope I will get the samples in April. Montauk wrote: RALF, |
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sooner76 Guest
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Montauk wrote:Most of the time the bezel is going to be with BIP at 12 o'clock.... if you look at the bezel the number 30 is oriented at 6 o'clock. If the numbers face inward then the 30 would be upside down. Obviously, it's the choice of the watch designer to do it however they want, and either way it's not a deal breaker. But just for the record, I quickly checked about 25-30 different brands of dive watches - major brands and boutique brands alike - and ALL of them orient the 15 and 45 toward the dial face, and all but one (Enzo) orients the 30 toward the dial (making it upside down when the bezel is in the normal position). |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Thanks for the info. Enzo probably realized that it is good to have 30 right-side-up in standard position, i.e. facing out. Interesting that Enzo oriented 15 and 45 to the inside. All things considered anything goes. sooner76 wrote: Montauk wrote: Obviously, it's the choice of the watch designer to do it however they want, and either way it's not a deal breaker. But just for the record, I quickly checked about 25-30 different brands of dive watches - major brands and boutique brands alike - and ALL of them orient the 15 and 45 toward the dial face, and all but one (Enzo) orients the 30 toward the dial (making it upside down when the bezel is in the normal position). |
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jfstrat 3T WIS
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As a scuba diver, it makes it easier when you glance at your watch to read your bottom time underwater and the numbers face the dial (and the minute hand). As the bezel rotates, the numbers face the dial and are easier to read. I'd imagine back in the day when the watch was the primary method a diver had to track time, it was more of a safety issue. I wouldn't want to mistake my bottom time because I misread an upside down number! For the desk divers...no big deal. :) I'm still going to order a Moray though, because it's going to be a damn fine watch! Last edited on Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 06:21 pm by jfstrat |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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It is certainly an interesting issue... some watches show 30 facing outward while 45 and 15 face inward. Another interesting detial is to examine the direction that numbers on the dial face. On ORIS TTI or SEIKO Monster the small numbers on the dial all face to the bottom of the watch. So numbers between 3 - 9 face to the outside of the dial, while numbers above 9 - 3 face inward. This keeps all the numbers oriented to the person wearing the watch. Take a look at a SEIKO Monster, to see what I mean. And notice the 30 is upside down ! So there is probably no correct answer. Suffice to say, that Ralf was aware of what he was doing, and this makes the MORAY unique. Also, I believe it makes the watch look bigger, as the eye is drawn naturally from the bezel to the outside edge. |
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sooner76 Guest
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I think if I were going to use this watch under water, I'd say "no way." But you're starting to convince me, Jim -- the more I look at the bezel, the more I like the numbers oriented that way, purely from an aesthetic point of view. |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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I prefer the way it is....I like seeing the 30 right side up.. |
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Nai_Maew 3T WIS
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jfstrat wrote: As a scuba diver, it makes it easier when you glance at your watch to read your bottom time underwater and the numbers face the dial (and the minute hand). As the bezel rotates, the numbers face the dial and are easier to read. I'd imagine back in the day when the watch was the primary method a diver had to track time, it was more of a safety issue. I wouldn't want to mistake my bottom time because I misread an upside down number! For the desk divers...no big deal. :) That's true. The numbers facing the dial should be the proper alignment. ;) But since I have never worn any watch while diving for a long time (only use dive computer now), so the numbers facing outward does not matter at all. :P Also interested to see the sample of Dial 6. The green dial with white lume, as in the drawing, does not look so great but it should look nice with this greenish lume. :) |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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The green sample dial is on the way to me we can see the color and lume , but the funny dial company made all the letters in black , don't ask me why:? Nai_Maew wrote: jfstrat wrote:As a scuba diver, it makes it easier when you glance at your watch to read your bottom time underwater and the numbers face the dial (and the minute hand). As the bezel rotates, the numbers face the dial and are easier to read. I'd imagine back in the day when the watch was the primary method a diver had to track time, it was more of a safety issue. I wouldn't want to mistake my bottom time because I misread an upside down number! For the desk divers...no big deal. :) |
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