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canadajo 3T WIS 
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I am interested in knowing what the guys here think about this topic ..... my personal experience with my Ocean 7 Proploff was far from perfect, as on recieving the watch it was loose and bouncing around the box .... with the strap peices floating in the box as well .... my red button was dinged up ..... also when attempting to install the strap I had to jam it between the lugs ..... I thought this was not acceptable but maybe I am being too harsh ? DMB wrote: KenC wrote:DMB wrote: Hey fellers... why not start a thread and let's see what 3T members think?  |
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Norman 3T WIS 
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I think...if you want me as a regular customer, you better get it right the first time.;) Last edited on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 09:54 pm by Norman |
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Nordstrom 3T WIS 
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I haven't owned an Ocean 7, and I'm not familiar with much of the back story regarding the movements and such. I've found the moderators on the Ocean 7 forum to be a bit heavy handed, but that's about it. I don't have any of their models on my must have list. |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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I agree with the statement that they look like other watches.....I don't plan on buying any..... |
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romek 3T WIS
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I don't think that I'll ever buy OCEAN7. I never deal with anybody that acts out of place. They never delivered anything fresh and act as they were a center of watch marketplace. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Personally I think the O7 brand has lost a bit of its initial luster. You'll find a number of them continuously up for sale on the secondary market. They don't seem to be "keepers" for many WIS. Without a doubt, the brand has its fans which inhabit an insular world known as the O7 Official forum where the moderation is a bit heavy handed and any questioning is frowned upon. Their designs are derivative with the ultimate being an outright homage to the legendary Omega. As I've discussed with several WIS, this particular project is a microcosm of the company' woes imho. An outright homage albeit with the same old O7 dial, which took far too ling from conception to completion. While the watch appeared well built the strap was poorly finished and needed filing or brute force to be squeezed onto the watch head and its construction seemed hinky, and in one case I know of personally, the extra bezel lock button was haphazardly tossed into the watch box, left free to jump around during shipping and become chipped. Now this after waiting over a year for this watch to appear and being chastised if ever asking for an update. To me this is not the way to develop strong vendor/customer relations. So as David pointed out above, if you've got a Mission statement, best to live up to it. That being said I do own an O7 though really its nothing more than a re-dialed and casebacked Steinhart. Does that still count?  O7 has a lot of potential but seems just a bit out of touch. They need look no further than their own Mission Statement for guidance. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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In the begining I thought Ocean7 had promise. I knew about them before I found 3T. I have the LM-1 LE and the LM-6C. I enjoy them both but the way O7 has been over the last year I have no desire to buy another watch from them. I may pick up something some day 2ed market but there are so many other options in that price range that are a much better buy all the way around. I've stated the LM-7 dose nothing for me. But for those who do love the brand I understand. The old saying fits well. "To each their own" ;) |
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Zarith 3T WIS 
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I can understand why they want to keep their official forum free from any criticism or ambiguous questions. Since Ocean7 watches are not available in stores, neither in large online shops, this forum is their only selling platform. They don't want any bad publicity. One bad review could make 100 potential customers run away. We can't blame Mitch for muting down negative comments. It's his business. It's the same here. I doubt my opinion about the Monstrum will be welcomed in the 3T Orsa forum  Personally I'm not interested in Ocean 7 watches. The brand name doesn't speak to me (it's as bad as "Clouds 6" or "Lake 9") and their catalog has way too many homage watches. I like a brand to have a strong identity, and offer original watches. I'd rather wear a cheap original watch, than a high quality homage. The LM7 was a wrong move, in my opinion. Ocean 7 is now known as the "company that makes this Ploprof replica". And it won't change soon... I also think these watches are overpriced. $900 to $1700 is way too much. In this price range you can get beautiful (and original) watches from Longines, Glycine, Stowa, Fortis or Oris. And even at 50% less, there are many other options (Hamilton, Steinhart/Debaufre, Archimede, Boschett, etc...). But some people seem to enjoy these watches and are having fun discussing with Mitch about new models. That's all that matters, right? |
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Ron Jr 3T WIS 
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The only Ocean I am even remotly interested in is the LM-7 and that can change once I see one in the steel. As has been said I think they are overpriced and would only buy one from the sales forums. |
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teddyhanna Guest
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I have never purchased a watch from Ocean7, but I owned a LM-1. The person I purchase it from was from here and he was great to deal with and the watch was in super great shape, like brand new looking, but after owning it about 40 days I went to go clean the bezel and the black paint from bezel marker fell out. I had to touch it up with some enamel paint. I thought man they could have done a better job app ling the paint, or prepping the marker with primer, when building this thing. I did not bother to have Ocean7 fix it...I already knew not to go there, so I thought gee it's a homage, well I might as well add some Teddy homage to it, so who ever has that LM-1 they can say it's a Ocean7/Teddy homage.. See now, it's really a collectors item now.....yourock.gif |
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IanM 3T WIS 
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Guess I am one of the lucky ones. I ordered my LM-7 with an initial deposit, waited the full term, and then changed my mind about the blue sunburst dial and went with a black (matte) dial version. Everything about the build and timekeeping of the watch is so far very good, IMHO. Delivered quickly in a tough wooden box, my red bezel lock button was separately packed, as were the OEM rubber strap, cards and instructions. I have used neither the red button nor the rubber strap, because I prefer the plain SS bezel lock. I put it on an Omega mesh bracelet (don't care about the clash of brands - the mesh is supremely comfy), changed out occasionally with a Hadley Roma big heavy. I can see the other points of view, but apart from the frustration of waiting a long time for the watch, I actually WANTED a watch that reminded me of my old Ploprof, and this was the best of the bunch I could find. It is no Omega, I can assure you, but it is tough, solid, works flawlessly, and is just a few seconds out since I have owned it. In the flesh, the dial graphics and lume will be a source of pleasure for many, I reckon. Nobody I speak to has any idea of the Omega connection that we WIS take so seriously. To most, it is just an interesting take on a dive watch by a small company in the US called Ocean7. I will never claim it to be what it is not. With absolutely no disrecpect meant - you vote for or against such manufacturers with your wallet. I may never buy another Ocean7 watch in my lifetime. But my experience so far is not so bad that I would never look at their products again. Just a question which is almost off-topic - is it the opinion of all that every fricker cased diver is a copy of the others? I am just trying to get a handle on why it is that this particular O7 raises so many hackles, but many variants of watch using the same case and sold by different "assemblers" does not? No biggie - have a great day, 3T!! IanM hand6.gif |
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DannyOcean 3T WIS 
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From what I've seen and read around many forums, I would much rather spend my money on other brands offering similar look watches at a little more reasonable price. Debaufre comes to mind as something I would much more consider. Much better value IMO. To me for some reason, the O7's just lack a little bling factor. I do like the name though. |
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KenC Admin 
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Zarith wrote: I can understand why they want to keep their official forum free from any criticism or ambiguous questions. Since Ocean7 watches are not available in stores, neither in large online shops, this forum is their only selling platform. They don't want any bad publicity. One bad review could make 100 potential customers run away. We can't blame Mitch for muting down negative comments. It's his business. Yeah...I can blame Mitch...he is not "muting down", he is squashing...and yes, it is his business and he can run it anyway he wants to. But I, on the other hand, can take exception to what I feel is a "not exactly" ethical approach and refuse to do business with him. All watches have their detractors and their problems...some just refuse to acknowledge or address them. While your opinion on the Monstrum might not be welcomed, I doubt, if reasonably stated, that it would be deleted...I also doubt that you would be banned for asking a question! |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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"It's the same here. I doubt my opinion about the Monstrum will be welcomed in the 3T Orsa forum " Eric you opinion of the Monstrum is not welcomed here either but there is a big difference between a watch like the Monstrum at $225.which is a bargain compared to what's out there in this price range and a O7 for $1000. ... Berg also backs his product whether you are the original owner or second or third as long as it is within his warranty time period...from what I hear O7 warranties are non-transferable...and Mitch himself said the 07 forum is no longer his main source for sales..this is his quote:"I think it also important to remind everyone that the OCEAN7 forum is a brand forum that is paid advertising. It is very expensive advertising because Ernie has made WUS a great success. It will continue as long as it has value to the company, and for no other reason. It is an excellent medium to tap the knowledge of the watch enthusiast community, but it is becoming a smaller and smaller part of the company's total sales compared to retail sales." ....I have no idea where the info that the 07 fora is his only source of sales? face4.gif and with that said I have to agree with Mitch's policy of policing his forum and keeping it flame free and positive...if I paid $6-$8,000 per year for a private forum I would run it the same....his only mistake is he didn't start earlier yourock.gif I also agree any warranty issues should be between watch owner and manufacturer and not for open forum...and on 3T it is an unwritten rule that we do not stand for bashing within our brand forums and want positive input...these forums are for fans to enjoy and be privy to new designs and an outlet for our 3T friends to be able to entertain our members with the opportunity to be able to express what they would like to see in these designs...so there is no room for nay sayers who only like to stir the pot....if you are not a fan it's like anything else in life...either you stay away,tune it out or turn it offhand6.gif as far as O7 to each their own is what I say...some of their loyal fans are a bit over powering and voiceful to an annoying level outside of that forum though while others like displayed within this thread are complete gentleman WIS who have shared positive opinions which I personally respect  ... buy what you like and not because someone tells you to or you are expected to play follow the leader in order to fit in...everyone finds their own comfort level and niche in this hobby and should be respected by all WIS because afterall it is about watches ...I can buy watches from any of the 3T friends of equal or better quality and with the knowledge of exactly what movement will be powering it for a much fairer price with a much larger selection in a variety of price ranges that fit every WIS's pocket imho cat28.gif ...as for me...well,I will wait for Eddie Platts to build a Ploprof homage ;) |
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DMB Guest
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Since my O7 pic led off this thread, I guess I should lend my dos centavos. First of all, I doubt I will ever buy another O7. Not for any negative reasons, but simply because none of their other watches appeal to me. I bought the LM3 about a year ago, and acknowledge that it looks just like every other watch with this style case. Nauticfish, Enzo, Deep Blue, etc. I don't know which one came first, and honestly I could care less. I was looking for a sub 1K beater with a Swiss automatic movement that wasn't all fancy and polished and that I could wear for police work and not worry about. Period. I don't care if this watch was made in Bienne, China or Timbucktoo. Insofar as Mitch goes, when I first got this watch I had a problem with the second hand dragging over the minute hand. It would actually make contact and the watch would always stop well short of the end of the power reserve with the hands "stacked" on top of each other. I sent Mitch an email, sent him the watch, and it was back on my wrist in under 10 days working perfectly. He also threw in a strap of my choice to cover shipping. Now, it never occurred to me to get on the O7 forum and post about how my new watch was all jacked up. Yet, some people do this sort of thing before they even attempt to contact the man. Would I be pissed if I were Mitch? You betcha. Does Mitch have "other" issues? Yea, so it would seem. However, my problem was resolved to my satisfaction and that's really all I was concerned about. What he does on his forum has nothing to do with me. I've always found it silly that people take this hobby so seriously. ~ David |
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mike400 3T WIS
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I don't know how others feel, but if anyone posts an honest and responsible negative review, I would like to know just as much as a positive post. Who knows, it might not be something that would matter to me. Then again, it might. I sincerely hope that responsible posts don't get edited, no matter who advertises. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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mike400 wrote: I don't know how others feel, but if anyone posts an honest and responsible negative review, I would like to know just as much as a positive post. Who knows, it might not be something that would matter to me. Then again, it might. I sincerely hope that responsible posts don't get edited, no matter who advertises. As long as it dose not break forum rules or policy it will stand if not it will go. ;) |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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Well I understand that when you are dealing with man-made things there are certain to be problems ...... a customer should always wait for an outcome before trashing a watch or a company ..... the first thing a customer should do is contact the company, and then see how the problem is dealt with ... and how well its dealt with ... and with what kind of attitude as well ... There are many things to concider before we all jump to conclusions ... like how much does the watch cost ? How long was the wait ? Is the problem one that all the owners had or just an isolated incident ? Was it negligence or just human error ? As far as you comment on how you think its silly on the seriousness of this hobby ?!!? I spent alot of money on this hobby and I actually use my watch for timing and for diving ... sometimes it serious business when I am timing something , or when diving I need to know how long I've got before running out of air ... that said I do think its kindof crazy on how some people buy a watch then never use it in fear of a scratch , but that is thier perogative and maybe they are only worried about resale value ....... DMB wrote: Since my O7 pic led off this thread, I guess I should lend my dos centavos. First of all, I doubt I will ever buy another O7. Not for any negative reasons, but simply because none of their other watches appeal to me. I bought the LM3 about a year ago, and acknowledge that it looks just like every other watch with this style case. Nauticfish, Enzo, Deep Blue, etc. I don't know which one came first, and honestly I could care less. I was looking for a sub 1K beater with a Swiss automatic movement that wasn't all fancy and polished and that I could wear for police work and not worry about. Period. I don't care if this watch was made in Bienne, China or Timbucktoo. Insofar as Mitch goes, when I first got this watch I had a problem with the second hand dragging over the minute hand. It would actually make contact and the watch would always stop well short of the end of the power reserve with the hands "stacked" on top of each other. I sent Mitch an email, sent him the watch, and it was back on my wrist in under 10 days working perfectly. He also threw in a strap of my choice to cover shipping. Now, it never occurred to me to get on the O7 forum and post about how my new watch was all jacked up. Yet, some people do this sort of thing before they even attempt to contact the man. Would I be pissed if I were Mitch? You betcha. Does Mitch have "other" issues? Yea, so it would seem. However, my problem was resolved to my satisfaction and that's really all I was concerned about. What he does on his forum has nothing to do with me. I've always found it silly that people take this hobby so seriously. ~ David |
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DMB Guest
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canadajo wrote: ? As far as you comment on how you think its silly on the seriousness of this hobby ?!!? I spent alot of money on this hobby and I actually use my watch for timing and for diving ... sometimes it serious business when I am timing something , or when diving I need to know how long I've got before running out of air ... that said I do think its kindof crazy on how some people buy a watch then never use it in fear of a scratch , but that is thier perogative and maybe they are only worried about resale value ....... You may have misunderstood me when I said I thought it was silly. I agree that the quality control of a product should be high when you are talking about expensive watches. It's really not acceptable to spend 2K on a watch, and find out there is something wrong that should have been caught by quality control. When I said silly, I was referring to all of the childish drama that often times surrounds these various watch forums. I buy what I like, and wear what I want. I could care less how a watch is perceived by anyone else. For example, I am wearing an Ebay special Marina Militare as I type this. I just got a new strap for it. Some would absolutely turn up their nose at an homage watch. Me personally, I think it's pretty funny that anyone would even take the time to care. ~ David
Since my O7 pic led off this thread, I guess I should lend my dos centavos. First of all, I doubt I will ever buy another O7. Not for any negative reasons, but simply because none of their other watches appeal to me. I bought the LM3 about a year ago, and acknowledge that it looks just like every other watch with this style case. Nauticfish, Enzo, Deep Blue, etc. I don't know which one came first, and honestly I could care less. I was looking for a sub 1K beater with a Swiss automatic movement that wasn't all fancy and polished and that I could wear for police work and not worry about. Period. I don't care if this watch was made in Bienne, China or Timbucktoo. Insofar as Mitch goes, when I first got this watch I had a problem with the second hand dragging over the minute hand. It would actually make contact and the watch would always stop well short of the end of the power reserve with the hands "stacked" on top of each other. I sent Mitch an email, sent him the watch, and it was back on my wrist in under 10 days working perfectly. He also threw in a strap of my choice to cover shipping. Now, it never occurred to me to get on the O7 forum and post about how my new watch was all jacked up. Yet, some people do this sort of thing before they even attempt to contact the man. Would I be pissed if I were Mitch? You betcha. Does Mitch have "other" issues? Yea, so it would seem. However, my problem was resolved to my satisfaction and that's really all I was concerned about. What he does on his forum has nothing to do with me. I've always found it silly that people take this hobby so seriously. ~ David |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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I hear you on the drama ....... it gets sickening ....... I also, wear what I like , and if its an inexpensive watch or a quartz .... tough beans if you dont approve ! I also dont care what people think about a watch's social status ....... I use them and wear them and enjoy them and thats it ..... The reason I hang out here at 3T is because of the lack of snootiness .... nobody here looks down on you because of a watch you wear and like that costs only 20 bucks ...... |
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