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| Posted: Wed Oct 26th, 2011 02:00 pm |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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OldeCrow wrote:It's just plain disappointing to see Panerai can't even counterfeit their own watches as well as the Chinese can...  
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29th, 2011 12:18 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Panerai was known for using many,many different movements that were available during their pre-Vendome years as you can see below,but never did they use a base movement such as in the 318! Movements from 1936/8 Officine Panerai-Richemont Group. Historic-Contemporary-Specialities-Limited and Special Editions Collections. Unitas 6497/Top Eta, Swatch Group, hand-wound with hours and minutes, no Cosc certificate 16 1/2 lignes, 17 jevels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 41 (I) - 56 (I-X) hours (OP I from 1997 to 2001 and OP X from 2002 on) - OP II - XI Radiomir 45mm (Black Seal) + Luminor 44-47mm (Marina, Marina Destro-Left Handed, Marina + OOR Serial + OP Logo Serial + S. E. 20th Ferretti 1986-2006 + S. E. Boutiques 2009 and 2010 + Destro-Left Handed, Marina Militare + A. Vespucci, Marina Tantalium, 1950 and M. Militare Destro-Left Handed) + Luminor Marina, Sub, Submersible-Slytech, Daylight-Slytech and Black Seal-Slytech (Replica 1993-1997 Ed.) Unitas 6497/2 Eta, Swatch Group, hand-wound with hours, minutes and small seconds 16 1/2 lignes, 17 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 41 (II) - 56 (II-XI) hours (OP II from 1997 to 2001 and OP XI from 2002 on) The new finishing of the h. w. movements OP X-OP XI, utilized from the 2005-H historic collection on  - OP III Radiomir aut. 45mm (Black Seal) + Luminor aut. 40-44mm (Marina, Marina-Montecarlo 2000, Marina-Regatta 2001, Marina-W. C. S. 2003, Marina-Olympic Games 2004 and 2006, Marina-Boutique Firenze 2005, Submersible (300-1000-2500m and 1950 1000m) + Regatta 2004, Amagnetic-Arktos, Sealand for Purdey and Black Seal) Valjoux 7750P1 Eta, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds and date 13 1/4 lignes, 21 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 42 hours - OP IV Luminor Chrono aut. 40mm (Chrono and Chrono Amg, Pam 108) El Primero 40.0 Zenith, Lvmh Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, date and three counters 13 1/4 lignes, 31 jewels, 36,000 a/h, power reserve 50 hours - OP V Luminor Chrono aut. 40mm (Chrono 2000 and Chrono Amg, Pam 105) F. Piguet 111-2, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, date and three counters 11 1/2 lignes, 37 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 45 hours - OP VI Luminor Chrono aut. 40mm (Chrono Flyback) El Primero 40.0 Zenith, Lvmh Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, flyback and three counters 13 1/4 lignes, 31 jewels, 36,000 a/h, power reserve 50 hours - OP VII Radiomir aut. 40-42mm Elite 680 Zenith, Lvmh Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds and date 11 1/2 lignes, 26 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 55 hours - OP VIII Luminor aut. 40-44mm (Gmt, from 2001 on, Regatta Gmt 2002, Arktos Gmt, North Pole Gmt and Boutique Firenze 2005 Gmt) Valjoux 7750P1 Eta, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, date and gmt 13 1/4 lignes, 21 jewels, 28,800 a/h, gmt, power reserve 42 hours - OP IX Luminor aut. 40-44mm (Power Reserve + Regatta 2005 and Power Reserve Destro-Left Handed, from 2001 on) Valjoux 7750P1 Eta, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, date and power reserve 13 1/4 lignes, 21 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 42 hours - OP XII Luminor Chrono aut. 40-44-47mm (Regatta Chrono 2003 40mm, Chrono 44mm + Chrono Daylight edition + Chrono Boutique Firenze 2005, Chrono Submersible 1000m 47mm + Chrono Slytech edition) Valjoux 7753 Eta, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, little seconds, (date) and three counters 13 1/4 lignes, 27 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 46 hours - OP XIII Radiomir Gmt 42-45mm JLC 897, Richemont Group, automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, date and gmt 11 ½ lignes, 35 jewels, 28,800 a/h, gmt, power reserve 37 hours - OP XIV Radiomir 8 Days (+ Sincere) 45mm JLC 1877, Richemont Group, hand-wound with hours, minutes, small seconds and power reserve, no Cosc certificate 13 ¼ lignes, 33 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 8 days - OP XV Luminor 1950 Submersible Pangae Depth Gauge 47mm automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds and depth gauge 13 ¼ lignes, 21 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 42 hours - OP XVI Luminor Chrono 40mm and Luminor Chrono Tantalium 40mm hand-wound with hours, minutes, small seconds and two counters 12 lignes, 18 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 48 hours, no Cosc certificate - OP XVIII Luminor 1950 Chrono Rattrapante (+ Regatta Chrono 2007/9) 44mm and Radiomir Chrono Rattrapante 45mm automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, -rattrapante- function and two counters 13 ¼ lignes, 31 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 42 hours - OP XIX Luminor 1950 Chrono Flyback (+ Regatta Chrono 2006) 44mm automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds, -flyback- function and two counters 13 ¼ lignes, 30 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 42 hours - OP XXV (Radiomir) Mare Nostrum Chrono 52mm (Manufacture Minerva), ? components and 12 3/4 lignes Hand-wound with 55 hours of power reserve Hours, minutes, small seconds and chrono with two counters 18,000 a/h, 22 jewels, 1 barrel, no Cosc certificate
automatic with hours, minutes, small seconds with two counters 13 ¼ lignes, 24 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 46 hours - OP XXVII Radiomir Titanium 47mm (Manufacture Minerva 16-17) hand-wound with hours, minutes and small seconds 16 3/4 lignes, 18 jewels, 18,000 a/h, power reserve 55 hours, no Cosc certificate
The new 8 Manifattura Movements, (no Cosc) made by the Manufacture Panerai in Neuchatel-CH 
Calibre P.2003 (Luminor 1950 GMT 10 days 44mm and Radiomir GMT 10 days 45/47mm) 281 parts 13 3/4 lignes Automatic movement with 10 days of power reserve 3 barrels Second reset and GMT functions Linear power reserve indicator 28,800 a/h and 25 jewels
Calibre P.2004/P.2006* (Luminor 1950 GMT Chrono Monopusher 8 days 44mm and Rattrapante 8 days 47mm) 333/356* parts 13 ¾ lignes Hand-wound movement with 8 days of power reserve 3 barrels Second reset and (only cal. P.2004) GMT functions Linear power reserve indicator Single button column wheel chronograph/rattrapante function*
Calibre P.2005 (Luminor 1950 GMT Tourbillon/Time Eq. 6 days 47/50mm and Radiomir GMT Tourbillon 6 days 48mm) 243 parts 16 ¾ lignes Hand-wound movement with 6 days of power reserve 3 barrels GMT function Tourbillon escapement Power-reserve indicator on the back of the movement
Calibre P.9000 (P.9000-P.9001 and P.9002) (Luminor 1950 44/47mm 3 days Marina/Subm./GMT/P. Reserve Aut. + Regatta 2011) 195 (P.9000)-227 (P.9001) and 236 (P.9002) components 13 ¾ lignes Automatic movement with 3 days of power reserve GMT/Power Reserve functions 28,800 a/h, 28 jewels and 2 barrels
Calibre P.999 (Radiomir 42mm) 154 components and 12 lignes Hand-wound movement with 60 hours of power reserve Hours, minutes and small seconds functions 21,600 a/h, 19 jewels and 1 barrel
Calibre P.3000 (P.3000-P.3001-P.3002 and P.3003) Hand-wound cal. with 3 days of power reserve, 21 jewels, 2 barrels and 160 components, with hours, minutes and small seconds. Utilized both for the Luminor 1950 3 days 47mm and both for the Radiomir 3 days 47mm
The Other Movements - F. Piguet 1153, Swatch Group, automatic with hours and minutes, no Cosc certificate 12 lignes, 29 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 100 hours Radiomir Jewelery aut. 40mm - OP XXIV/G. Perregaux 59 (A. Schild 5008), then OP XXIV, Sowind Group, automatic with hours, minutes, seconds, date, alarm and gmt, no Cosc certificate 13 1/4 lignes, 31 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 47 hours Radiomir Alarm Gmt 40-42mm - Chezard 7400, with hours, minutes and seconds, no Cosc certificate 11 1/2 lignes, 21 jewels, 18,000 a/h, power reserve 40 hours Radiomir Independent - OP XXI/Jaquet 8952 (Valjoux 7750P1 Eta), automatic with hours, minutes, three counters and chrono with function -foudrayante-, no Cosc certificate 13 1/4 lignes, 40 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 40 hours Radiomir Chrono Foudrayante 1/8th sec. 45mm + Regatta Chrono 2010 47mm - Omega 920 (Lemania), Swatch Group, with hours, minutes, date and one counter, no Cosc certificate 10 lignes, 17 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 40 hours Radiomir Seconds Counter - G. Perregaux 9907, Sowind Group, with hours, minutes and tourbillon, no Cosc certificate 12 1/2 lignes, 20 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 75 hours Radiomir Tourbillon - Lemania Cht 15, Swatch Group, with hours, minutes, small seconds and two counters, no Cosc certificate 15 lignes, 21 jewels, 18,000 a/h, power reserve 40 hours Radiomir Zerograph - F. Piguet 6850, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, seconds and date 11 1/2 lignes, 29 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 72 hours Radiomir Platinum - Venus 179-185, with hours, minutes, small seconds and two (179) or three (185) counters 14 lignes, 26 (179) or 20 (185) jewels, 18,000 a/h, power reserve 49 (179) or 36 (185) hours Radiomir Chrono Split-Seconds 40-42mm - Valjoux 234 Eta, Swatch Group, with hours, minutes, seconds, date and two counters, no Cosc Certificate 13 1/4 lignes, 18 jewels, 21,600 a/h, power reserve 50 hours Radiomir Chrono 44mm - Eta 2893-2, Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, seconds, date and gmt Luminor aut. 44mm Gmt (from 1998 to 2000 + re-ed. 2010) - Eta 2892-A2 (Soprod 9040), Swatch Group, automatic with hours, minutes, seconds, date and power reserve Luminor aut. 44mm Power Reserve (from 1998 to 2000 + re-ed. 2009) *************** - Rolex 618 (basis Cortebert), hand-wound with hours and minutes, no Cosc certificate 16 lignes, 15/17 jewels, 18,000 a/h, power reserve 41 hours Ref. 2533-3646-6152-6152/1-6154 and 1000m aluminium prototype (Vintage 1936/8-1992 Ed.) + Radiomir (Pam 21) (S. E. 1997) 47mm   - Angelus 240, hand-wound with hours, minutes and small seconds, no Cosc certificate 16 lignes, 17 jewels, 18,000 a/h, power reserve 8 days Ref. 3646-6152-6152/1 and Radiomir ref. gpf 2/56 (Vintage 1936/8-1992 Ed.) + Luminor 1950 8 days 47mm (S. E. 2005) and M. Militare 8 days 47mm (S. E. 2008)  - Angelus 215, hand-wound with hours, minutes, seconds and two counters, no Cosc certificate 14 lignes (Radiomir) Mare Nostrum 1943  - Eta 2801-2 + chrono mod. D. Depraz 3127, hand-wound with hours, minutes, seconds and two counters, no Cosc certificate 11 1/2 lignes, 43 jewels, 28,800 a/h, power reserve 41 hours Mare Nostrum + Mare Nostrum-Slytech (Replica Ed. 1993-1996 and 1997)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29th, 2011 05:50 am |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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Thanks for those cool pictures and specs Oscar! I really love the new in-house Panerai movements for them specifications and esthetic... Truly some beauties there. It's in fact hard to believe that them watch-makers from Neuchâtel would mount those 6497-1 "nos" after working with such in-house beauties... Orders of the stupid boss or maybe just mounted in the NY shop? really.gif
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29th, 2011 07:23 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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Hammerfjord wrote:Thanks for those cool pictures and specs Oscar! I really love the new in-house Panerai movements for them specifications and esthetic... +1. And that's a wealth of detail, Oscar. Thanks!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 8th, 2011 02:47 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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A very good post featuring great close pictures from this low grade ETA/Unitas 6497 housed in this controversial Pam 318. As I was saying in my earlier posts, the finish of those movements is on the frontier to create doubtful thoughts about the precision, when observed with magnifying lenses... http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1320595343/The+mysterious+PAM318
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| Posted: Wed Nov 9th, 2011 12:51 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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it get's better... http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1320595343/The+mysterious+PAM318
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| Posted: Wed Nov 9th, 2011 03:25 am |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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oagaspar wrote:it get's better... That's the link I did post up over...I need some of this stuff you drink Oscar... 
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