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Why are screws considered  "better" than pins in securing links in a SS bracelet? Given that it is quite easy to size a pin system (the one exception being Seiko's pin&collar), what is the advantage to the screws?

The disadvantages to screws are: they can strip, fallout, be put in so tight only King Kong can loosen them, etc. Plus, usually the screws are flat heads which are very easy to deform (the slot.)

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mcwright wrote: Why are screws considered  "better" than pins in securing links in a SS bracelet? Given that it is quite easy to size a pin system (the one exception being Seiko's pin&collar), what is the advantage to the screws?

The disadvantages to screws are: they can strip, fallout, be put in so tight only King Kong can loosen them, etc. Plus, usually the screws are flat heads which are very easy to deform (the slot.)


No argument from me Mikehand6.gif I agree. Only thing worse are lug screws:(

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I forgot about Lug screws coyote2.gif

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I don't mind the screws but find pins easier to work with for my limited skills...

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I don't know...............I have people for that! toon1.gif

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KenC wrote:
People????Well get them to take some PICS of Your Watches!!!!!smile8.gif...Screws or Pins as long as they Work I am Happy!....I do hate loosing those pesky collars though!mistake.gif I don't know...............I have people for that! toon1.gif

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I guess my question was, why do premium brands use screws in their bracelets if there is no real advantage? I'm sure there is some reason other than they cost more and look cooler.

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From a manufacturing point, its much more expensive for the screw system. I'd say that's why. I have always associated screwed links with more expensive watches.

Also, lay-people can change the band.

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IW wrote: From a manufacturing point, its much more expensive for the screw system. I'd say that's why. I have always associated screwed links with more expensive watches.

Also, lay-people can change the band.

Speaking as one of those lay-people, I do find the screwed lugs and bracelets easier to change and size.  The Orsa screwed lugs were a bit of a challenge the first time, but caught on pretty quick.  And they do have a bit of an aesthetic appeal IMHO...:cool:

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">>From a manufacturing point, its much more expensive for the screw system. I'd say that's why. I have always associated screwed links with more expensive watches.

Also, lay-people can change the band.<<"

A lay-person who drops $1,000 to $3,000 + for a timepiece generally has someone else size it (Jeweler most often). And, he/she is ulikely to have a set of jewelers screw drivers at home .

What if the lay-person should drop a screw and lose it, now what? You just can't go anywhere and get that screw replaced. Even the jeweler likely won't have one in stock. I just don't think it was created for lay-people's convenience. :)

So, I'm back to square one. Why use them?


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Aloha All,

I just wandered in to this forum. I see a few names I recognize!

As in life, there are no perfect solutions. My feelings are that screwed in pins look cooler, and they cannot rust like spring bars can. However screwed in pins can come loose and you not notice it - it's pretty common actually. Also spring bars make the strap easier to change and make it less likely that you will scratch the case trying to screw down the pins. And sand can get lodged in the screw holes causing greater chance for corrosion.

Currently my watches use spring bars and I encourage anyone who goes in the ocean more than once a week to change the bars every 6 months. If you only wear the watch in the shower or freshwater, the bars should last 12 months. If you keep the watch essentially dry, then they should last for many years. The springs inside spring bars have to be made of carbon steel which rusts pretty easily.

Hope this helps.

Now I'll have to poke around some on here and see what I find....

Cheers,
John


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Welcome to 3T. Thanks for some great insight and information. I hadn't considered rust. But, then I live in the desert. :D 

Plus, some guys here won't ever have to worry about rust. They never own a watch for a whole year! cat28.gif subtlelaugh.gif 

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Thanks for the welcome mcwright.

I see you are in Scottsdale...my family has lived in Tempe for 24 years. Rust is not so much a problem there.

What I wouldn't do for some decent sopapillas right about now.

Here in Kauai everything rusts immediately.

The metal stick on my son's cheap video game - rusted.

The base of my brand new IKEA metal lamp - rusted.

The $24 chrome-plated fancy wheely type shower curtain rings - rusted, upstairs and down.

The stainless steel lug nuts on my 2004 4Runner - rusted.

I have a small collection of iron meterorites and keeping them rust-free is basically impossible...even doused in BreakFree CLP.

That's why I like stuff to be PVD-coated 'round here. :cool:

Aloha and g'nite,
John

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Everyone is different. I've had people call me and tell me they've regulated their Rolex. Yes, this is not the 'norm', but neither are we happy1.gif

mcwright wrote:
A lay-person who drops $1,000 to $3,000 + for a timepiece generally has someone else size it (Jeweler most often). And, he/she is ulikely to have a set of jewelers screw drivers at home .

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I like screws ... to me they are more secure .... I've had a pin fall out and my watch flew across cement

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BathysHawaii wrote: Aloha All,

I just wandered in to this forum. I see a few names I recognize!

As in life, there are no perfect solutions. My feelings are that screwed in pins look cooler, and they cannot rust like spring bars can. However screwed in pins can come loose and you not notice it - it's pretty common actually. Also spring bars make the strap easier to change and make it less likely that you will scratch the case trying to screw down the pins. And sand can get lodged in the screw holes causing greater chance for corrosion.

Currently my watches use spring bars and I encourage anyone who goes in the ocean more than once a week to change the bars every 6 months. If you only wear the watch in the shower or freshwater, the bars should last 12 months. If you keep the watch essentially dry, then they should last for many years. The springs inside spring bars have to be made of carbon steel which rusts pretty easily.

Hope this helps.

Now I'll have to poke around some on here and see what I find....

Cheers,
John



 

John,

Welcome to 3T and thanks for the perspective!  As for rust and salt water coorosion, I lived in S Florida for 26 years.....been there - done that!

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canadajo wrote: I like screws ... to me they are more secure .... I've had a pin fall out and my watch flew across cement
Is that why you put everything on rubber??

Wasn't that the Accutron? Do you still have that?

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Welcome to the forums man! a fresh perspective from a manufacturer! cool!

Now my perspective on pin, friction or screwed links. Since I have the tools and extra pins and friction pins, there a different quality screwed links. On a Marathon bracelet, the threads are tapered so they don't back out. A Oniss is junk and strip right away. There are 3 different loctites you can use on scewed links. I use the blue so they break free easy. Pins are great in most watches as long as the holes are the right tolerence. Invicta can't seem to get it right all the time. Friction pins are used by Omega, Tag Heuer, and work the best, but need to be replaced after a couple of adjustments.

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BathysHawaii wrote: Aloha All,

I just wandered in to this forum. I see a few names I recognize!

As in life, there are no perfect solutions. My feelings are that screwed in pins look cooler, and they cannot rust like spring bars can. However screwed in pins can come loose and you not notice it - it's pretty common actually. Also spring bars make the strap easier to change and make it less likely that you will scratch the case trying to screw down the pins. And sand can get lodged in the screw holes causing greater chance for corrosion.

Currently my watches use spring bars and I encourage anyone who goes in the ocean more than once a week to change the bars every 6 months. If you only wear the watch in the shower or freshwater, the bars should last 12 months. If you keep the watch essentially dry, then they should last for many years. The springs inside spring bars have to be made of carbon steel which rusts pretty easily.

Hope this helps.

Now I'll have to poke around some on here and see what I find....

Cheers,
John



Hello John!  Welcome aboard here my friend.  Enjoy your poking around and join us often...:cool:
Steve H.

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I'm pretty sure that call didn't come from Tucson, Arizona and one Ken, C.  That's for sure. cat28.gif

IW wrote:
Everyone is different. I've had people call me and tell me they've regulated their Rolex. Yes, this is not the 'norm', but neither are we happy1.gif

mcwright wrote:
A lay-person who drops $1,000 to $3,000 + for a timepiece generally has someone else size it (Jeweler most often). And, he/she is ulikely to have a set of jewelers screw drivers at home .



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