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pacifichrono 3T WIS 
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I am not allowed to even view the forums - - all I get is a screen that says I have been banned for "No reason specified." I guess they didn't like my thread complaining that my 'mild' Doxa post had been deleted. Beware! |
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Foster 3T WIS 
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Welcome to the club, brother. WUS and BDWF here. Watch board admins can sure be sensy. |
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JCKoLnturn 3T WIS 
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I have a feeling they didn't appreciate the DOXA related thread you began. WUS is a sales driven, revenue earning forum. DOXA is a major contributor, tread lightly. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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JCKoLnturn wrote: you hit the nail on the head JCK!!!hand6.gif I have a feeling they didn't appreciate the DOXA related thread you began. WUS is a sales driven, revenue earning forum. DOXA is a major contributor, tread lightly. |
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zippofan 3T WIS 
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Ouch, sorry to hear that Tom. From the looks of it, more than a few have been banned because of the Doxa threads, I see Mike H. has been bounced too. What a shame, posters who contributed greatly to the forums bounced because they asked the "wrong" question... Best regards, Griff |
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yamahaki Guest
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Wow! what did you post up? I did my best to get banned on the ocean7 forum, Had 4 letter words with mods, and didn't get the boot. So confess man! I need some ideas:D |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS
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yamahaki wrote: Wow! what did you post up? I did my best to get banned on the ocean7 forum, Had 4 letter words with mods, and didn't get the boot. So confess man! I need some ideas:D Dunno really. First I disagreed with another member who espoused letting bygones be bygones regarding John V. after he patched up his quarrel with Doxa. I said it's incomprehensible to just let the guy off scott free after he lobbed all those grenades into the Doxa forum, including dirty company laundry allegations he now retracts, leaving a path of trash in his wake. Somebody (John P. of Doxa?) deleted my post. I then posted a thread in Affordables decrying the deletion of my post in the Doxa Forum. So this morning I try logging on but just get a "banned" screen instead. Seems a bit too harsh a response to me, especially having been a solid WUS member for five years! |
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yamahaki Guest
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obie put a sticky on the Doxa forum about following the rules according to Doxa and anyone who is negative will be banned. So your at banned camp now. Coolhand6.gif So if you disagree with Doxa or other members about a post or thread you can now be Banned? If your Doxa falls apart in your hands, you can't say its a piece of crap? |
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yamahaki Guest
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your avatar says banned. Your posts and others in the affordables section have been locked. |
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cdnwatchguy 3T WIS 
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yamahaki wrote: If your Doxa falls apart in your hands, you can't say its a piece of crap? Not on the Doxa Forum. A couple of years ago I was nearly punted off for saying that I thought putting the name "Dirk Pitt" on the dials of the remaining 600T's was a dumb idea. Got an email from Rick telling me not to make posts like that. JCKoLnturn is right in his read on WUS. Speak too negatively about a sponsored brand and goodbye. I guess they have the right to be the editors on their own forum, but they are sure heavy handed. I don't think they realize the negative backlash it has with customers. |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS
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cdnwatchguy wrote: yamahaki wrote:If your Doxa falls apart in your hands, you can't say its a piece of crap? I can see getting banned by the Official Doxa Forum, but not by all of WUS. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Well banning you is WUS' loss Tom. Join the club, I've been temporarily banned from WUS myself. They are really over moderating the forums, in particular the official Dox forum after Lord Vargas' allegations. I agree with you that he can't just say sorry and then everything is hunky dory. They don't want to hear it!! Just another reason WUS bites compared to this forum. There is no free flow of ideas... Oh, I know, they own the forum and so forth... Big hit for Doxa and I don't know how forthright they are being with their response to the situation. |
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DonaldF 3T WIS 
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A question I have is why do people go nuts for Doxas? They're plain and look cheap and now that I've found out they are cheaply made, no way. |
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KenC Admin 
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I do not know how true the allegations are or not.............I can only believe that if they were not true, that John V would not have been allowed to apologize and "come back into the fold", but, rather, would have been sued to the hilt so that DOXA could make the point that the rvelations were bogus. What I see now is a attitude of making nice to the guy in order to quiet him and then spinning it in hopes that it will go away. That said..........anyway you look at it, while DOXA has a nice look, IMO they are way overpriced for what they are, what they represent and the CS provided. Well, this was not really meant to be a rant about the DOXA "event", but simply a statement that if Tom gets any luckier (having now been banned from WUS), he will get banned from Big & Dumb, where they like to indulge in revisionist history and pat themselves on the back for the # of posts they've made! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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DonaldF wrote: A question I have is why do people go nuts for Doxas? They're plain and look cheap and now that I've found out they are cheaply made, no way. I think you are off base and a bit out of line... Do you have a Doxa or have you handled one? I think you might be surprised at how low cost wold be on a number of "expensive" watches. I cannot question the build quality of my Doxas... apparently you can... Another hater!! Last edited on Thu Apr 5th, 2007 10:36 am by Paxman |
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yamahaki Guest
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a 750t is what, around 1395.00? seems like a standard price point for a good diver. sinn u1, omega, tag. Theres history in that there watch. Pax, if you ever get tired of yours, I'll give you what you paid. Of course I know how long you waited for it so I don't think your selling anytime soon.hand6.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Paxman wrote: Well said Marc!hand6.gif seems the complainers and nay-sayers have never seen let alone owned a Doxa....I can't wait until they come out with a 750T in yellow using the GMT bracelet!! I have many watches in the Doxa price range and can say they are worth every penny and they hold their value compared to the others:)The entire dilemna at WUS is due to the heavy handed mods who delete and close threads and ban at will and Ernie allows them to!...and forget about saying anything negative or ask a newbie question on one of the official fora like Doxa,and Ocean7!  ...in the old days at WUS we banned no one without consultation between mods and Ernie...I have no problems with WUS but have stayed away from posting there because of the new mods who think they are policeman rather than being there to help members and keep the forum flowing... DonaldF wrote:A question I have is why do people go nuts for Doxas? They're plain and look cheap and now that I've found out they are cheaply made, no way. |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote: DonaldF wrote:A question I have is why do people go nuts for Doxas? They're plain and look cheap and now that I've found out they are cheaply made, no way. Pax....."off base and out of line"?.......this is all personal opinion. I have never held one and may have the same opinion of "cheaply" built that Donald has after reading all the stuff written lately. I am of the belief (without proof, of course - just some knowledge of behavior) that at least some of what John V said was true. As to looks....again, it's all personal opinion....I, for example, do not like the looks of skeleton watches. Others are crazy about them. Does that make me a "hater"? Bottom line....I luv the DOXA look...........I question the dollar value in line with other watches...........it is a reasonable opinion to have as is DonaldF's opinion, as it is a reasonable opinion and passion you have to luv them. Your opinion may be that Rolex is a great value for the money...........mine is that it is not (and yes, I currently own 2 and have owned others). You may luv Breitling..........I think they are (mostly) very cluttered looking and over priced. (and, yes, I currently own one). So, if we all had the same opinions on watches, we would all have the same watch. |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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DOXA is a well made watch and Omega Breitling and Rolex all make fine watches ..... My point is that we all have favorites and likes and dislikes.....TO EACH THIER OWN as long as it doesnt tread on me :D .... different strokes for different folks and so on and so forth ..... I have handled all of them and I will tell you Doxa is a great diver !!!! But it sure is interesting all this hub-bub !!!! |
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yamahaki Guest
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If we had the same opinions on watches, what would the forums be for? |
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KenC Admin
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yamahaki wrote: a 750t is what, around 1395.00? seems like a standard price point for a good diver. sinn u1, omega, tag. Theres history in that there watch. Pax, if you ever get tired of yours, I'll give you what you paid. Of course I know how long you waited for it so I don't think your selling anytime soon.hand6.gif Hmmmmmmmmm...........I checked recently on a Carribean and it was $1795.00. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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yamahaki wrote: If we had the same opinions on watches, what would the forums be for? Well said! hand6.gif |
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yamahaki Guest
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I take it there not on sale anymore then. that would move me into the new sinn ux series. |
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KenC Admin
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yamahaki wrote: If we had the same opinions on watches, what would the forums be for? Absolutely..............passion and opinions are great. My only point is that if my opinion differs from someone elses, that does not mean I am off base or out of line.....it simply means that i have a different opinion...............and, unless you are dragoon from WUS..........your opinion could be correct. hand6.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Ken, you know I know opinions are like a-holes...we've all got one. My point is that unless you've actually handled the piece your opinion is not based in fact but rather conjecture. I seriously doubt anyone who has handled a Doxa would say they are cheaply made... it is highly apparent they are NOT cheaply made... As for looking plain... sure that's a valid opinion based on personal tastes... but looking cheap?? How so... There has been too much piling on after this broo ha ha but too many that are not basing their opinions in fact. Sure Doxa has had some issues... I can tell you after this incident I am done with them yet again... unless they pull me back in... |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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HA ...... all it would take brotha Pax is a Green faced diver and you would be in like Flynn !!!! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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canadajo wrote: HA ...... all it would take brotha Pax is a Green faced diver and you would be in like Flynn !!!! You must mean the "Sargasso Sea." Yes... this would do it...  |
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canadajo wrote: HA ...... all it would take brotha Pax is a Green faced diver and you would be in like Flynn !!!! hand6.gif:D   |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Johnny P wrote: How Much Gumba!! that lime green id bada$$!cool10.gif canadajo wrote:HA ...... all it would take brotha Pax is a Green faced diver and you would be in like Flynn !!!! |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote: Ken, you know I know opinions are like a-holes...we've all got one. My point is that unless you've actually handled the piece your opinion is not based in fact but rather conjecture. I seriously doubt anyone who has handled a Doxa would say they are cheaply made... it is highly apparent they are NOT cheaply made... I don't think he meant they looked cheap, but I don't know....and when I READ John V's statement about how cheaply they were made........I decided they were "cheaply made". Now whether or not JV's statements about chinese case and 10 cent dial are true....is another story! But every one claimed he was "king", at least for a day!!! It is okay to form an opinion based on "expert" testimony! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: Johnny P wrote: That is toooooooo much for me andI like the gaudy stuff... |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Paxman wrote:Ken, you know I know opinions are like a-holes...we've all got one. My point is that unless you've actually handled the piece your opinion is not based in fact but rather conjecture. I seriously doubt anyone who has handled a Doxa would say they are cheaply made... it is highly apparent they are NOT cheaply made... Well KC, he did say they looked cheap so I'll take him at his word as written. I am curious about John's claims but Doxa seems to be answering the qestions as directly as Doxa can... Don't drink the orange kool-aid!! Nice to see Bandido Charlie back, btw. |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote: KenC wrote:Paxman wrote:Ken, you know I know opinions are like a-holes...we've all got one. My point is that unless you've actually handled the piece your opinion is not based in fact but rather conjecture. I seriously doubt anyone who has handled a Doxa would say they are cheaply made... it is highly apparent they are NOT cheaply made... Yep.........the Bandido is back!!!!! You are right, he did say they looked cheap....again...opinion...did not say he handled one and the "felt" cheap! Yadda, yadda, yadda! I'm thinking Lord J V was paid to make no further comments (based on what I saw on TZ-UK)............I still believe he was stating the truth. JohnP is on that site too trying to shut people down with threats! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Paxman wrote:KenC wrote:Paxman wrote:Ken, you know I know opinions are like a-holes...we've all got one. My point is that unless you've actually handled the piece your opinion is not based in fact but rather conjecture. I seriously doubt anyone who has handled a Doxa would say they are cheaply made... it is highly apparent they are NOT cheaply made... I haven't worked my way through the thread yet but Doxa should stay out of other forums. To get back on track, itis incomprehensible for WUS to have put the whammy on Tom. Though I didn't see his comments, knowing Tom I would bet they were not overly presumptive or outrageous. This is a perfect example of WUS' heavy handed moderating which I believe starts from the top down. We all know Tom as a fairly sane and reasonable WIS!! I am sure you know it already, Tom, but you've got friends here!! |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS
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Paxman wrote: We all know Tom as a fairly sane and reasonable WIS!! And don't you forget it, EITHER!!!  |
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Pararescue 3T WIS 
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I hope that you all don't mind but I'd like to make a few comments relative to Tom's original post. I too was banned last Tuesday night. The reason is still unclear. I have sent two emails to WUS administration asking for an explanation and I have yet to recieve the courtesy of a reply. At one point on Tuesday night I had posted that I had spoken with John V. a week earlier about purchasing a Doxa 750T Pro as a returning customer. John was helpful and quoted me a discounted price with the understanding that I would make my purchase within a week or two. My posts were the focus of several rude responses one of which was from a forum member who accused me of lying about my interest in purchasing a Doxa. I responded by stating that I didn't care if I was believed and that the poster's arrogance only complimented his ignorance. Within a few minutes I received a ban notice without any accompanying explanation. The post within which I was accused of lying was strangely allowed to remain as was. One might be tempted to conclude that I dislike Doxa watches. That is simply not true. I still own two Doxas and I count them among my most treasured watches. Indeed, I believe that Doxa watches are excellent dive watches deserving of the respect of the horologic community. My issue is with the manner in which Doxa views its customers and potential customers in relation to questions and comments about customer service and warranty issues. Heavy handed and unprofessional moderating of important debate has now resulted in many questioning the sincerity of Doxa and its representatives, and I suspect many rethinking their interest in purchasing a Doxa. I am fortunate to have found this and several other forums which support open civil debate without a thought about economic advantage. Thank you. |
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Pararescue wrote: I hope that you all don't mind but I'd like to make a few comments relative to Tom's original post. I too was banned last Tuesday night. The reason is still unclear. I have sent two emails to WUS administration asking for an explanation and I have yet to recieve the courtesy of a reply. A read virtually every post, and cannot believe that you two were banned. In pm conversation with a mod over there, he can't believe it either. But, their loss is our gain....which I, for one, am very grateful! |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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Late last year I accused Earnie of running a cleverly disguised sales site (in the middle of a heated topic about something else) which he promptly denied but when I asked him how long I would be allowed to complain about my broke doxa before I got banned he didn't reply. doxa's "no posting unless youv'e got a little brown on your nose" policy isn't a new issue this time was just a bit more public for some reason. I've never had an interest in the brand or the forum for it so I've managed to not get banned..........yet. ;) anyway I'm sorry you guys got banned! Think of it this way, it's one less website to enable you to buy watches! |
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Seamaster73 3T WIS 
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Pararescue wrote:I too was banned last Tuesday night. The reason is still unclear. I have sent two emails to WUS administration asking for an explanation and I have yet to recieve the courtesy of a reply. Likewise. By the way, hello to all. Just discovered this place. If any good has come out of the WUS/Doxa débâcle, it's that several other forums have grown their membership as a result. |
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KenC Admin
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Seamaster73 wrote: Pararescue wrote: Seamaster....welcome to 3T.......yes, I saw you being "put upon" over there for not kissing the ring!!!! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Hello Seamster... and welcome to 3T - you are right about that, recent events have definitely brought us some good new members...hand6.gif Seamaster73 wrote: Pararescue wrote: |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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I'm sure glad I came here instead. Had looked at that forum and just did not apeal to me. :?:shock:;) |
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