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What would you like to see in a new BENARUS model??
Every input and suggestions are welcome.

 
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How about an oversize 46mm Omega Seamaster 300 homage?

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Do you mean the new one or a vintage SM?
 46mm is a lot( especially for my small wrist) but if there is interest for that size why not


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How about an oversize 46mm Omega Seamaster homage?

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Vintage Seamaster 300 maybe then 44mm w/ aged lume? I like BIG watches..

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I would like to see a XL IWC Ocean 2000 homage, with Solar or autoquarz movement and Titan case.
Also a homage to the Seamster 600 would be interesting.

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O7 has made a very close homage to the SM600
 
 I know what you mean with the IWC 2000;)

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sodahl wrote: I would like to see a XL IWC Ocean 2000 homage, with Solar or autoquarz movement and Titan case.
Also a homage to the Seamster 600 would be interesting.

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This is a real beauty and 44 is a more comfortable size imo
  I will think about it how to make a homage and not a copy.


ncmoto wrote: Vintage Seamaster 300 maybe then 44mm w/ aged lume? I like BIG watches..

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How bout a Seiko 6105 homage?

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I see you guys like the old style watches.
3 suggestions and all for a  homage
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But what makes the difference between a homage and a copy???
 
 

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Well, IMHO there's no foul in paying "tribute" to a classic design. True IF money was no object I would acquire the original in most cases, but it is and I can't. As we all know and certainly don't mind paying homage to the Submariner, 50 fathoms ect. IMO a copy is a fake with the original makers name on the dial. A homage is a sincere tribute to a classic Grail watch that "average"WIS can wear and enjoy.

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BENARUS wrote: I see you guys like the old style watches.
3 suggestions and all for a  homage
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But what makes the difference between a homage and a copy???
 
 

Yeah, that is a good point. I agree.

Since your company is founded on making rugged, well priced, simple, functional, modern looking divers Here is what I would like to see:

***A simple case design ... something along the lines of the simplistically beautiful Sea Devil but all in Titanium.

***Just do an engraved chapter ring, with filled in markings in Black, much like the Sea Devil as well.

***Make a plain lume dial with NO MARKINGS on it whatsoever with the exception of the Benarus logo above the hands and the depth rating below the hands, both in Black. I am thinking the dial color would be a slate gray ... but I know it could be done in white or even orange if you wanted. Stick with me here :p .

***This is where the color comes in. On the underside of the crystal, backprint some big block-like numerals at 3,6,9, and 12 ... you could do the indices in between too, all so they 'stand off' from the dial. Imagine this being done in orange, bright blue, yellow!

***At that point, you either do black skeleton hands, or color-match the hands to the numeral print color.

***Of course it would need to be an automatic :D . The 21 jewel Miyota is fine with me ... affordable and reliable.


The method to my madness is that you would have a very simle base watch to build with the only specific components being the crystal and maybe the hands.

You could also offer other color combos ... imagine an orange lume dial with black printed numbers and skeleton hand with this design ... yum :) .

Well ... you asked for ideas. There's mine :) .

 

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 Very well said,  I think if we look at bigger brands which make re editions  from their own watches they most look very similar but always a bit different for example   Heuer Monaco or the coming re edition from the Omega Ploprof ( I mean the one from Omega)
I really like the first re edition from Doxa the 300T, you can see the inspiration from the vintage 300T but it has got something own.
 I see it as a problem that the actual Planet Ocean got its inspiration from the SM 300 ( there is not so much difference imo) and that means a SM300 homage could cause some problems with Omega.
So what is it what you like at this watch or what could be made different and you will still love it?





ncmoto wrote: Well, IMHO there's no foul in paying "tribute" to a classic design. True IF money was no object I would acquire the original in most cases, but it is and I can't. As we all know and certainly don't mind paying homage to the Submariner, 50 fathoms ect. IMO a copy is a fake with the original makers name on the dial. A homage is a sincere tribute to a classic Grail watch that "average"WIS can wear and enjoy.

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There lies the issue for the master...How did Ocean 7 get away w/ thier Ploprof or are they "crusin' for a brusin'?

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thankyou.gif very much for this suggestions

pallet spoon wrote: BENARUS wrote: I see you guys like the old style watches.
3 suggestions and all for a  homage
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But what makes the difference between a homage and a copy???
 
 

Yeah, that is a good point. I agree.

Since your company is founded on making rugged, well priced, simple, functional, modern looking divers Here is what I would like to see:

***A simple case design ... something along the lines of the simplistically beautiful Sea Devil but all in Titanium.

***Just do an engraved chapter ring, with filled in markings in Black, much like the Sea Devil as well.

***Make a plain lume dial with NO MARKINGS on it whatsoever with the exception of the Benarus logo above the hands and the depth rating below the hands, both in Black. I am thinking the dial color would be a slate gray ... but I know it could be done in white or even orange if you wanted. Stick with me here :p .

***This is where the color comes in. On the underside of the crystal, backprint some big block-like numerals at 3,6,9, and 12 ... you could do the indices in between too, all so they 'stand off' from the dial. Imagine this being done in orange, bright blue, yellow!

***At that point, you either do black skeleton hands, or color-match the hands to the numeral print color.

***Of course it would need to be an automatic :D . The 21 jewel Miyota is fine with me ... affordable and reliable.


The method to my madness is that you would have a very simle base watch to build with the only specific components being the crystal and maybe the hands.

You could also offer other color combos ... imagine an orange lume dial with black printed numbers and skeleton hand with this design ... yum :) .

Well ... you asked for ideas. There's mine :) .

 

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  I think the LM7 came up before Omega's own  re edition and the design is not protected, but the Planet Ocean already exists and a similarity with a SM 300 homage cannot be denied




ncmoto wrote: There lies the issue for the master...How did Ocean 7 get away w/ thier Ploprof or are they "crusin' for a brusin'?

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Oh, and since the original Barracuda was sold out by the time I got here, I would like to see a reissue with maybe a different dial and hand color combo ...

... just food for thought.

I'd buy one ;) .

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I am waiting for something to come out in a diver thats robin egg blue faced (Orsa had one with a quartz movement) or a bluegreen or seafoam green face ... I would buy one fer sure hand6.gif

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canadajo wrote: I am waiting for something to come out in a diver thats robin egg blue faced (Orsa had one with a quartz movement) or a bluegreen or seafoam green face ... I would buy one fer sure hand6.gif

 

One of these?


 

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I like the bottom one on the left...and the third down on the right.:)

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Norman wrote: canadajo wrote: I am waiting for something to come out in a diver thats robin egg blue faced (Orsa had one with a quartz movement) or a bluegreen or seafoam green face ... I would buy one fer sure hand6.gif

 

One of these?   any one of those I would buy just for the color !!  hand6.gif


 

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Norman wrote: I like the bottom one on the left...and the third down on the right.:)

actually those would be my two choices as well with #1 being the 3rd one on the right 

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Michael 808 wrote: How bout a Seiko 6105 homage?

I like this idea...not necessarily the 6105 but how about a cushion case with the benarus carbon blue dial.

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As Benarus has been a company that makes their own original dive watches, I would try to stick to that theme and not go down the route of making homages which other small new watch companies are already doing.

Seeing as the Sea devil effectively covers the big diver market. A few ideas for other watches

Maybe make a dive watch which isn't as tall so can be worn with office wear...(12-14mm), obvuiously this would have less depth scale

How about a GMT design?

How about a Chronograph diver?

I think in order to develop the brand you should continue making the watches affordable but give sufficient style and individualism to make them attractive. Avoid replicating other brands, and also avoid replicating within your own brand. Thereby giving a varied range.

What you decide depends very much on your own values and vision for this brand.

 

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ok... a Seamaster 300 in 44mm with this color.....

 

 

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I want a watch to go scuba diving with! I would never take a real Omega 600 oder IWC Ocean 2000 for that...to expensive! Wouldn´t be the first expensive watch on the bottom of same lake or ocean.crap.gif

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I also think about something new with an Barracuda blue  dial, sorry if I change the dial color it is no longer a Barracuda for me,  this blue fish was the name inspiration so if a  Barracuda re issue  it will get a blue carbon dial again
 I hope you'd also buy one with a blue dial;)

pallet spoon wrote: Oh, and since the original Barracuda was sold out by the time I got here, I would like to see a reissue with maybe a different dial and hand color combo ...

... just food for thought.

I'd buy one ;) .

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I do not want to replicate other watches,  I will always try to make a own design  with different looks for each model, but that some parts  will show a similarity to other watches I cannot avoid.
My goal is to make attractive , tough, reliable and affordable dive watches for collectors and users, I will try to offer different sizes, for those who want it smaller and also for those who want it bigger but most will be around 44mm.
 Something for real divers and something for office wear.
 I have enough ideas in my mind but I want to see if we are in one line, and I think we are. 

 A taller watch with a lower deep rating is in work.
  The problem for a GMT design is the movement which one?
 A Chrono diver with a Ronda quartz movement would not be a problem.



sunster wrote: As Benarus has been a company that makes their own original dive watches, I would try to stick to that theme and not go down the route of making homages which other small new watch companies are already doing.

Seeing as the Sea devil effectively covers the big diver market. A few ideas for other watches

Maybe make a dive watch which isn't as tall so can be worn with office wear...(12-14mm), obvuiously this would have less depth scale

How about a GMT design?

How about a Chronograph diver?

I think in order to develop the brand you should continue making the watches affordable but give sufficient style and individualism to make them attractive. Avoid replicating other brands, and also avoid replicating within your own brand. Thereby giving a varied range.

What you decide depends very much on your own values and vision for this brand.

 

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true dat!

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I have something like this in my mind, don't know how I name the color , but this in a steel or better a PVD case could be nice


canadajo wrote: Norman wrote: canadajo wrote: I am waiting for something to come out in a diver thats robin egg blue faced (Orsa had one with a quartz movement) or a bluegreen or seafoam green face ... I would buy one fer sure hand6.gif

 

One of these?   any one of those I would buy just for the color !!  hand6.gif


 


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very cool. now I know some will think it tooo much but if its like a real down 'n dirty  tool watch I would like a matching bezel insert. That way I could hammer nails w/ it but be in touch w/ my fem. side.  no kidding-Id like to see that.. Stowas "LIMETE" color???

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I guess the color looks different on some monitors, but I think the  limete color is more greenish

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  Would you say this is also a cushion case?


ikkoku94 wrote: Michael 808 wrote: How bout a Seiko 6105 homage?

I like this idea...not necessarily the 6105 but how about a cushion case with the benarus carbon blue dial.

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Yep not comparing it that one just saying I like the Sotwa color..

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Yes, Yes.  I dig the light blue dial.  Now lets make this in a 44-46mm cushion case,   30+mm dial and an overall thickness of around 15mm.  300-500 meter depth rating is fine with me.  Gosh, that sounds like another brand but if done right could look totally different...

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I would say this is one of the earlier takes on the cushion case incorporating a rotating bezel and and a great vintage design....very cool imho Ralf and a great vintage dive case,especially the use of the rotating dive bezel on the cushion case! hand6.gif...if you are thinking along these lines as far as a vintage style watch with the use of your awesome signature dials I would say you have a winner my friend! yahoo.gif

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  Would you say this is also a cushion case?


ikkoku94 wrote: Michael 808 wrote: How bout a Seiko 6105 homage?

I like this idea...not necessarily the 6105 but how about a cushion case with the benarus carbon blue dial.


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I agree with one of the previous posts....I think going with an homage is what everyone is doing, you have done a great job making your watches somewhat unique....IMHO this is what you should continue to do.

That said I really like the idea of the vintage cushion case look, and as Oscar said the rotating bezel would be very cool....minimum size 44mm.

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I think the Barracuda with hold great value .... they are a coveted item now ..... I would leave it alone as it makes Benarus a name that is known ... I would do something new and not being done by others .... a retro style diver with a retro sea foam green color would make some waves and certainly sell out in a numbered amount like 100 .....

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Yes, something like that but maybe a little more aggressive case to bezel size ratio.  (bigger case and smaller bezel)  I think with 44-46mm to work with we could have a nice cushion case design and a decent size dial (minimum 30mm).  I also like the looks of a rounded bezel.   

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Yes... yes. If you were to do a reissue of any kind in the same case, I would definetly get one ;) . I have seen quite a few others on the board here ask for one as well. I don't think you would have any problem at all selling another 100 :) .

 

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I also think about something new with an Barracuda blue  dial, sorry if I change the dial color it is no longer a Barracuda for me,  this blue fish was the name inspiration so if a  Barracuda re issue  it will get a blue carbon dial again
 I hope you'd also buy one with a blue dial;)

pallet spoon wrote: Oh, and since the original Barracuda was sold out by the time I got here, I would like to see a reissue with maybe a different dial and hand color combo ...

... just food for thought.

I'd buy one ;) .


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Ralf, my two cents....

A classic GMT watch that is not too big, 42mm, various finishes, 11-13mm thick.  Tough to find these today.


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BENARUS wrote:   Would you say this is also a cushion case?


ikkoku94 wrote: Michael 808 wrote: How bout a Seiko 6105 homage?

I like this idea...not necessarily the 6105 but how about a cushion case with the benarus carbon blue dial.



yes, but I like the cushion case more pronounced (bigger appearance wise) than the bezel/crystal.  When I look down at the watch, I'd like to see the cushion case hug the wrist first, then the bezel/crystal.  Does this make sense.

cushion case with the signature carbon blue dial and you have a winner... where do I send the paypal payment? :)


oh and I wouldn't do a re-issue of the Barracuda (especially not so soon)... It is LE for a reason.

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I still like the retro style diver idea with a blue-green  retro color ... I've been looking for one ever since I lost out on a sea-foam green dialed 1970's  Omega Seamaster on e-bay 2 years ago ....
The closest I have is the quartz Orsa and the teal Stowa Prodiver .... A 200 driven or Miyota driven mabey ?

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I have googled seafoam green and found this

 http://curtisnovak.com/restorations/FenderColors/SeafoamGreen.jpg

 I like this color is this what you want?

 I am planning a cushion case in this old style but in 44mm with 24mm lugs it will be "only" 500m  for a bigger dial. the bezel diameter also 44mm as the case.
But  it is also planned that a 1000m will come later with a smaller dial and than  also a smaller bezel  where more from the case is visible.  
 Different dial colors will be available and also 2 different dial styles.
The watch will be less high and more a classic diver design than a tool so also good for office wear.

 A Barracuda re edition will not come it is a LE and it shall stay one, but the blue carbon dial can   and will come back again in different cases.


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GMT is fine but I know only swiss  automatic GMT movments,  and these are expensive and hard to get.


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Ralf, my two cents....

A classic GMT watch that is not too big, 42mm, various finishes, 11-13mm thick.  Tough to find these today.



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You can use every Benarus for scuba diving;)






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Sounds good to me, I am in, can't wait to see the prelims but I know I'm in!!smile8.gif

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YES !!!!!  perfect.gif  thankyou.gif

I would buy 2 and use one as a daily wearer, and one would go in the winder,  stay pristine and beautiful , much like Oscar our respected leader does it .......




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I have googled seafoam green and found this

 http://curtisnovak.com/restorations/FenderColors/SeafoamGreen.jpg

 I like this color is this what you want?

 I am planning a cushion case in this old style but in 44mm with 24mm lugs it will be "only" 500m  for a bigger dial. the bezel diameter also 44mm as the case.
But  it is also planned that a 1000m will come later with a smaller dial and than  also a smaller bezel  where more from the case is visible.  
 Different dial colors will be available and also 2 different dial styles.
The watch will be less high and more a classic diver design than a tool so also good for office wear.

 A Barracuda re edition will not come it is a LE and it shall stay one, but the blue carbon dial can   and will come back again in different cases.



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Ok  a seafoam green will come, just have to check which is best fitting  pantone number .
I like it you like it so why not.

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BENARUS wrote: I have googled seafoam green and found this

 http://curtisnovak.com/restorations/FenderColors/SeafoamGreen.jpg

 I like this color is this what you want?

 I am planning a cushion case in this old style but in 44mm with 24mm lugs it will be "only" 500m  for a bigger dial. the bezel diameter also 44mm as the case.
But  it is also planned that a 1000m will come later with a smaller dial and than  also a smaller bezel  where more from the case is visible.  
 Different dial colors will be available and also 2 different dial styles.
The watch will be less high and more a classic diver design than a tool so also good for office wear.

 A Barracuda re edition will not come it is a LE and it shall stay one, but the blue carbon dial can   and will come back again in different cases.




wow... two cushion cases??  i better start saving up

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The cushion case design should be interesting...

Not a big fan of the bright green dial however..

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Thanks Ralf for the info.  This is why you are the watch guy!  Sounds like they are hard to get, maybe this is why tthere are so few to choose from.  Had a Bernhardt GMT (traded now), but it was too small and frankly didn't come close to the stunning Benarus designs.  Good luck!

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I have ordered a pantone map to see which color # for a sea foam dial.
 Anybody interested in a black case black dial with black markings Phantom watch( hard to read but readable) also what do you think about a MOP dial for a diver?
 A automatic GMT will be difficult but maybe in the future.

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I like the seafoam color idea, not too jazzed up about the green though.  I'm sure that there will be many dial colors to choose from, seeing how I have 4 Sea Devils ordered I obviously like a little variety:).

The black/black combo sounds pretty radical, I would definately like to see some drawings on this one.  I am still pretty much a brushed stainless person but the black/black combo is interesting, what color lume are we talking about on this one.

I ain't so good at the acronyms, what does MOP stand for?crap.gif

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Drawings would be helpful....but its good to have a number of ideas

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As soon as I have the drawings you will see them. Black on black would get black lume and no date so only dark colors. Black lume is a very dark gray so I think it is a good choice and it is  lume, not very strong but lume. MOP is mother of pearl.
 

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I'm anxious to see the triple black combo, it could turn out to be a real looker.  I was actually thinking about a semi metalic silver dial, the MOP may be the ticket...   Progress, I like it!!  BTW, no date is fine with me...

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Please keep me posted, your designs are definitely interesting and worth every penny. I would be interested in looking at the seafoam and am already in love with the triple black look.  please post pictures when you are ready...

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Triple black with cushion case... ThumbsUp02.gif

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I like the stealth idea ..... but I really really really want a diver that is seafoam or similar to that color

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Brushed stainless steel, 40mm diameter, 17mm thick. New bracelet similiar to the new Nauticfish base bracelet.

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No worry you will get it.
I think I have already found the right color, but I am still waiting for my map from Pantone to see which is the right color.



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I like the stealth idea ..... but I really really really want a diver that is seafoam or similar to that color

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What about an automatic chronograph? ...with the blue carbon dial (Barracuda), and maybe a simular warm yellow carbon, and a black carbon? with...red, blue and/or white hands. Dial must not be busy - in other words, must be a simple/clean layout.

42/44mm case (PVD), not too tall/high, and a bezel with machined (NOT printed) tachymeter-scale. Screw down crown and pushers (at least 100m waterproof), maybe with a see-though/display screw down back.


It's always nice with a diver (have a Seadevil on pre-order), but it would be nice to see a chrono, for at change :dude:

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I am not a fan of 40mm watches but I think about one in 42mm.

MMoore wrote: Brushed stainless steel, 40mm diameter, 17mm thick. New bracelet similiar to the new Nauticfish base bracelet.

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Sure a automatic chronograph  would be nice, but which movement?
The Swiss movements are hard to get and expensive and with the available Chinese movements  I have no experience


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What about an automatic chronograph? ...with the blue carbon dial (Barracuda), and maybe a simular warm yellow carbon, and a black carbon? with...red, blue


and/or white hands. Dial must not be busy - in other words, must be a simple/clean layout.

42/44mm case (PVD), not too tall/high, and a bezel with machined (NOT printed) tachymeter-scale. Screw down crown and pushers (at least 100m waterproof), maybe with a see-though/display screw down back.


It's always nice with a diver (have a Seadevil on pre-order), but it would be nice to see a chrono, for at change :dude:


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Sure a automatic chronograph  would be nice, but which movement?
The Swiss movements are hard to get and expensive and with the available Chinese movements  I have no experience



Yeah you're right mistake.gif ...better make it a Miyota quartz then ThumbsUp02.gif

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seafoam would make a great dial color imo....here is a link to a pantone color chart which may help hand6.gif

http://www.kb3kai.com/pantone-colors.php

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*chanting* Stealth! Stealth! Stealth!

(oh, and with Tritium, too... unless that's a total contradiction?)

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My 2 Cents:

I believe using a unique dial color like a seafoam green is a smart move.

Leave the MOP for Invicta to play with—it just reduces the clean lines of a good tool diver.

Using an automatic GMT or Chrono movement is going to price it out of the "cool yet affordable" range, and considering the current economy, the sub $500 market is the only place you'd want to be in.

Keep Benarus Divers in the larger case sizes—sub 42mm cases just look "femme".

Lastly, (and most important in my book as a branding specialist), keep the unique second hand that you have been using for all of your divers. It is a distinctive, signature element. It is what drew me to buy your Barracuda, and It was the unique "signature" hands of the Doxa Divers that drew me, (and I know many others), to their watches.

Hope this helps Ralf...yourock.gif

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thank you for the color chart, but so many colors are more confusing than helpful, lol,
 I guess that the colors on the screen look different from the real colors

oagaspar wrote: seafoam would make a great dial color imo....here is a link to a pantone color chart which may help hand6.gif

http://www.kb3kai.com/pantone-colors.php

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 Stealth will come but tritium not this time , maybe in the future



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(oh, and with Tritium, too... unless that's a total contradiction?)

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yeah, i was (sort of) kidding about the tritium... I'd rather stealth.

Question (and pardon my ignorance)... is it still possible to have decent lume with a stealth design?


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Yes the Stealth will get black luminove which can be called decent


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yeah, i was (sort of) kidding about the tritium... I'd rather stealth.

Question (and pardon my ignorance)... is it still possible to have decent lume with a stealth design?



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thankyou.gif for your  2 Cents.

As the third Benarus will will be a bit less a tool diver I think a MOP could be a nice option. I have an Invitca with MOP and also a Bathys. Both dials are very nice especially in different lights.
  You are right, as I will always try to stay in the affordable $500 market  it will be difficult to make a GMT or Automatic Chrono. But exceptions can happen. (See the Fricker Diver)
 My favourite size is also 44mm , but  many ask for a 42mm case  as also for something larger and I think a 42mm is still a good size, the Barracuda is also only 42mm.
 
The second hand:
 The Barracuda and the Sea Devil second hand are not the same  (the one from the SD is smaller)For the third case I have planned a different style but hour and minute hand will be  the same and the 4 numbers are all the same style on every model.
 I will try to keep the hour/minute hands and numbers as something typical for Benarus but there can  be some exceptions sometimes.



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My 2 Cents:

I believe using a unique dial color like a seafoam green is a smart move.

Leave the MOP for Invicta to play with—it just reduces the clean lines of a good tool diver.

Using an automatic GMT or Chrono movement is going to price it out of the "cool yet affordable" range, and considering the current economy, the sub $500 market is the only place you'd want to be in.

Keep Benarus Divers in the larger case sizes—sub 42mm cases just look "femme".

Lastly, (and most important in my book as a branding specialist), keep the unique second hand that you have been using for all of your divers. It is a distinctive, signature element. It is what drew me to buy your Barracuda, and It was the unique "signature" hands of the Doxa Divers that drew me, (and I know many others), to their watches.

Hope this helps Ralf...yourock.gif

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BENARUS wrote: thankyou.gif for your  2 Cents.

As the third Benarus will will be a bit less a tool diver I think a MOP could be a nice option. I have an Invitca with MOP and also a Bathys. Both dials are very nice especially in different lights.
  You are right, as I will always try to stay in the affordable $500 market  it will be difficult to make a GMT or Automatic Chrono. But exceptions can happen. (See the Fricker Diver)
 My favourite size is also 44mm , but  many ask for a 42mm case  as also for something larger and I think a 42mm is still a good size, the Barracuda is also only 42mm.
 
The second hand:
 The Barracuda and the Sea Devil second hand are not the same  (the one from the SD is smaller)For the third case I have planned a different style but hour and minute hand will be  the same and the 4 numbers are all the same style on every model.
 I will try to keep the hour/minute hands and numbers as something typical for Benarus but there can  be some exceptions sometimes.



JDBuckwell wrote:
My 2 Cents:

I believe using a unique dial color like a seafoam green is a smart move.

Leave the MOP for Invicta to play with—it just reduces the clean lines of a good tool diver.

Using an automatic GMT or Chrono movement is going to price it out of the "cool yet affordable" range, and considering the current economy, the sub $500 market is the only place you'd want to be in.

Keep Benarus Divers in the larger case sizes—sub 42mm cases just look "femme".

Lastly, (and most important in my book as a branding specialist), keep the unique second hand that you have been using for all of your divers. It is a distinctive, signature element. It is what drew me to buy your Barracuda, and It was the unique "signature" hands of the Doxa Divers that drew me, (and I know many others), to their watches.

Hope this helps Ralf...yourock.gif


I thought Invicta used Mother of Plastic! subtlelaugh.gif  Seriously, I don't think MOP belongs on a diver...period...end of story... (jmo)...and I also think the the 2 brands you reered to lack the integrity for you to model Benarus after.  42mm is a good size for me...as for sub 42mm looking "femme", that is all a matter of wrist size...design to the market!

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I think we've all given Ralf plenty of ideas, I think it's time to sit back and let Ralf come up with some preliminary drawings of what he'd like to see in the next Benarus...

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Divers , 42mm case , miyota auto , seafoam color face , white hands wide enough with an orange or red or blue outline on the hands to accent  ..... date at 4 if possible , tight but smooth bezel that sets up clean on 12 ..... this watch will sell out at 100 very fast and create some buzz as well ..... 

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I would definitely be in on the stealth, 45-48mm, black strap/bracelet or maybe both to interchange, and definitely a 3 hand auto. Where do I sign up???  yahoo.gif

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I think that so far you made your success with your own design and you should keep it that way.  IMHO, a diver's watch should be big and thick (42 to 47mm and 14 to 20mm tall) and easy to read.  I like oversize plongeur hands.  I would not do any homage or replica, they are all over the place already.  Definitely an auto movement, gmt would be great and i know that Sellita have good movements that are cheaper than ETA.  I think that Seiko auto movements are also available.  If not, the Myota movement is fine with me, not perfect but cheap, well known, reliable and very accurate when adjusted.  I would not go with any chineese movement even if they really improved in quality (specially Seagull movements), they still have bad reputation and would probably turn off many potential buyers starting with me.  No skeletton back unless you use a nice decorated movement (Myota is not so nice to look at) and i realy don't like MOP dials.  I think that the cushion case, like used on older Seiko or Doxa would be very nice, rated to min 300m to 1000m with the same finish choices of the SD.  So i'm in for a retro or original design. As for the dial colors, i like your actual choices but would be open to see somthing different.  The most important to me is that you keep the rugged and instrument look that you have now.  That's your signature


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Stealth will definitely come but 44mm sure strap and bracelet
 as always and it is also 3 hands auto

Hope you can wait some days
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 I guess you will like the #3.
Cushion case, but not like Seiko or Doxa, 44mm diameter about 15mm thick, 500m,  domed sapphire, Miyota movement, no MOP dial( has to less fans) easy to ready 4 numbers dial  and big hands as always  .  For the early pre order again the choices of the case finish like the SD.

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I think that so far you made your success with your own design and you should keep it that way.  IMHO, a diver's watch should be big and thick (42 to 47mm and 14 to 20mm tall) and easy to read.  I like oversize plongeur hands.  I would not do any homage or replica, they are all over the place already.  Definitely an auto movement, gmt would be great and i know that Sellita have good movements that are cheaper than ETA.  I think that Seiko auto movements are also available.  If not, the Myota movement is fine with me, not perfect but cheap, well known, reliable and very accurate when adjusted.  I would not go with any chineese movement even if they really improved in quality (specially Seagull movements), they still have bad reputation and would probably turn off many potential buyers starting with me.  No skeletton back unless you use a nice decorated movement (Myota is not so nice to look at) and i realy don't like MOP dials.  I think that the cushion case, like used on older Seiko or Doxa would be very nice, rated to min 300m to 1000m with the same finish choices of the SD.  So i'm in for a retro or original design. As for the dial colors, i like your actual choices but would be open to see somthing different.  The most important to me is that you keep the rugged and instrument look that you have now.  That's your signature



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It sounds good to me Ralf. The dome sapphire crystal is also a good idea.  When are you planing to show the first drawings?  I really like the old Bull Head and cushion cases used in the 60's and 70's... I think i need to see a doctor.  Why this sickness never ends?  Don't we already have enough watches?  I guess not! Let me take a pill and i will be ok.  crap.gif

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I guess in about a week  I can show you first drawings,
hey and don't take a pill you can never have enough and taking pills can cause other problems;)  watch collecting is not a serious sickness:)  , I bought another big watchbox two days ago, that mine will have a good home


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It sounds good to me Ralf. The dome sapphire crystal is also a good idea.  When are you planing to show the first drawings?  I really like the old Bull Head and cushion cases used in the 60's and 70's... I think i need to see a doctor.  Why this sickness never ends?  Don't we already have enough watches?  I guess not! Let me take a pill and i will be ok.  crap.gif

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Ok doctor, i will wait for those drawings then, i allready feel better! ;)

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In my eyes an ideal watch design would be as follows:

size: 44mm OD. 15-17mm height

Bezel: Marathon JSAR without black paint, raised numbers as per ORSA Monst.

Finish: brushed stainless with some polished highlights (sides of links), no exterior paint or color

Dial: black with lumed hour markers as per ORSA, white thin dash minute marks

Hands: Tritium hour/minute hands, with arrow second sweep

Movement: Auto with DAY/DATE at 3 o'clock (preferably ETA 2836-2)

Lugs: 24mm or wider if possible, Id like to see the first 28mm SS bracelt

Bracelet: See above (claspe size 22mm+)

claspe: trifold push button claspe with safety, or screwdown (kobold)

Crown size/position: 6mm+ preferably 8mm, I believe that if it were possible to locate the crown at the 10 o'clock position some how it would be the most comfortable (for wear on left wrist), although slightly harder to work with while setting time,  a 9 o'clock position would suffice.

Crystal: slight dome with AR coating on inside, or flat crystal with AR.

water resistance: 1000m 

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BENARUS wrote:
 I guess you will like the #3.
Cushion case, but not like Seiko or Doxa, 44mm diameter about 15mm thick, 500m,  domed sapphire, Miyota movement, no MOP dial( has to less fans) easy to ready 4 numbers dial  and big hands as always  .  For the early pre order again the choices of the case finish like the SD.


guess I have to start saving up again... for #3  can't wait to see the drawings.

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Maybe Sea Devil GMT

- GMT orange writing
- Date @3
- GMT hands in silver and orange
- 24h stainless bezel




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Now that is a great idea. I love the look of the Sea Devil with the beefy case design, and a GMT would be a tremendous fit. If I can make one suggestion, I would make the dial at 2:00 optional, for those of us who do not need it. I'm sure there are divers amongst us, and I would not want to take away that need.

Also, I would like t osee more designs outside of the Divers. Those are becoming a dime a dozen, and there is more than one company that has a new diver coming out. I'm not saying doing away from it all together, I am saying let's do a different design for now. Variety is always good for business and gives customers more to choose from.

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The cushion case diver sounds awesome. But please offer it in traditional Black with white markers and maybe Omega matte Blue as well.

I wouldn't buy a teal or seafoam or even carbon fiber dialed(no offense meant toward the cuda) watch , and you don't want to know what I think about MOP. I think a diver should have nuclear lume and a stealth watch doesn't appeal to me much less stealth lume on a dive watch. Didn't Doxa patent that term anyway?

Anyway I like classic colors on a dive watch, the cushion case looks awesome, just remember the conservative crowd when choosing dial color options. Make sure we have a dial to choose as well.

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I hope one of the dials is ok for you;) In the future I will always offer a dial choice because taste is so different .
 the last one  is a  black lume dial

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Ralf that black lume dial is AWESOME! yahoo.gif

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That black lume is pretty awesome I have to agree...hand6.gif

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I normally don't like dials without any numbers, but that first one is cool. Very bold and unique. The four big indices remind me of crosshairs, I really like it.

Also, the black lume looks great.

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Nice dials although I'm not a big fan of the first one without numerals...

Dials maybe too similar to the sea devil...

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Undecided on the first one, I'm sure tomorrow I will love it, as for the others I gotta say that I am very pleased.  If I am correct the one on the top right is silver, now that'll be slick...  cool10.gif

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I guess the first one is something you like it or you don't.
  Hope the sea foam fans accept this blue/greenish color and yes the right one is a silver brushed dial.
Sure there are similarities to the Sea Devil dial, but therefor the case will be quite different.

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I think the $64,000 question is, what kind of bezel are we talking about on this one?  Engraved numerals or insert and what type of grip??

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BENARUS wrote: I hope one of the dials is ok for you;) In the future I will always offer a dial choice because taste is so different .
 the last one  is a  black lume dial


 

 

 

Actually very much so .... I think I misunderstood that the only options were teal and phantom..  btw, the Teal doesn't look too bad to be honest...  But #2 and #3 are sweet!

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I'm late to this thread, but how about a Fifty Fathom homage done with the correct bezel... Maybe a little larger, 43mm...

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Jeff T wrote: I'm late to this thread, but how about a Fifty Fathom homage done with the correct bezel... Maybe a little larger, 43mm...
The vintage FF has been done by someone else and from what I'm reading another company is in the process of making one of the new FF

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black lume dial on black cushion case... sweet...

I like the way you changed the 5 minute markers on this one compared to the sea devil and barracuda.  nice subtle changes while keeping the Benarus 'look and feel'


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I'm a bit late to this thread as well, but just wondering, Ralf, if you've considered doing other style watches other than just divers? I'm a huge military/pilot watch fan, would love to see a true classical design military/pilot watch but with a robust case and crystal, something in the 45mm range so as not to look like a plate either.

Other than that, I would love to see an all dial version diver...and would love to have a model with deep red or maroon dial color.


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sunster wrote: Jeff T wrote: I'm late to this thread, but how about a Fifty Fathom homage done with the correct bezel... Maybe a little larger, 43mm...
The vintage FF has been done by someone else and from what I'm reading another company is in the process of making one of the new FF



MKII has their version of the Fifty Fathom, the Stingray (very sweet in my opinion); and Precista has the PRS-50, another sweet watch.  I don't know how it would fair for Benarus to compete with these two brands. Personally, I would like to see Ralf give it a go and try an FF. But considering that both MKII and Precista have ETA movements and are around $600 US each--that some stiff competition.

Can't wait for my Sea Devil and Ralf's next watch!
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i know this is an old thread and this watch is now the moray but i do agree i think i would like to see a deep red or maroon face on a future watch. and i would also like to add that i think it is awesome that ralf actually gets on here for input for new designs and takes into account all sugestions.

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a GMT in the green blue dial i will sure wait for it in #11 perfect.gifperfect.gifperfect.gif

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I work at night and tritium hands would be, and are one of the most useful features on a watch. A GMT watch would be helpful as well.


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