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 Posted: Fri Apr 8th, 2011 02:29 pm
   
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oagaspar wrote:

...CRUX will be releasing a full PVD version soon and it looks awesome!ThumbsUp02.gif


Agree. I've been waiting for this for quite some time, too. I can almost imagine it.ThumbsUp02.gif

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 Posted: Fri Apr 8th, 2011 10:24 pm
   
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looks like the little boys have left their circle jerk room,in search of an audience to stir the pot all over again...crusty.gif

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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2011 02:09 am
   
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oagaspar wrote: looks like the little boys have left their circle jerk room,in search of an audience to stir the pot all over again...crusty.gif


KARMA!!!   dance.gif

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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2011 05:18 am
   
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KenC wrote:
oagaspar wrote: looks like the little boys have left their circle jerk room,in search of an audience to stir the pot all over again...crusty.gif


KARMA!!!   dance.gif


+1. What goes around, comes aroundno.gif

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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2011 04:41 pm
   
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I don't know if it's Karma but I do know a lot of misinformation is being spewed by those who are not involved and have no idea what they are saying,they are only beating this dead horse for the sake of the "audience" they so much need in order to validate their existence.
    Since when has it become wrong for several watch companies to share the same case design? WIS have seen this going on since the beginning and yet for no reason other than forum politics this design has garnered the wrath of the unknowing newb led by the few who proclaim their self expertise upon them.
    Did SAS know another company was about to release a similar watch?,Yes they must have known, thus the many posts by SAS just prior to the release of how they rejected 300 cases ( because of a 1mm distance between the lug holes and case).Which at a later date was fixed (CRUX)by merely using a thinner lug screw that was more the industry standard, rather than the thicker screw the watch came with, just because one vendor refused the final case does not mean it was a reject due to some terrible imperfection but only that it did not meet his specific design.
    Now for those in the dark about watch manufacturing there are 2 rules that are the same throughout  the watch manufacturing industry.
    1:a down payment must be made of at least 30% before a case prototype is produced,which btw could take months of back and forth e-mails between the vendor and manufacturer if not on location before a case proto is actually made,at which point when all is said and done the proto is manufactured and sent to the vendor for approval.
    2: once approved and manufactured, the case or entire watch is sent to the vendor for inspection.This is the time the vendor should catch any and all imperfections such as the 1mm distance that SAS did not care for to be changed and as many found out later the issue with the bracelet. Not until the vendor gives a 100% approval of the revised design does the manufacturer proceed with the finished product which requires final payment at that time.
    Now is it possible the manufacturer didn't make any changes per the vendor on the final product ?,sure it is possible but wouldn't you believe that if these changes were written or discussed between the vendor and the manufacturer of the needed changes to the case and bracelet that they wouldn't own up to it and correct the issue?...would you send back 300 cases that were not correct to your specific order?...I know I would,especially if I had made specific changes on how they were to be made, which to me would have been an acknowledgment from the manufacturer that they would be made,without that acknowledgment I would have never proceeded.Cross your T's and dot your I's and leave nothing to blind interpretation when dealing in matters of business.
    This reoccurring issue of who did what will continue to raise it's ugly head until someone posts the the 100% truth backed by facts.Until then this is nothing more than a case of he said she said.Will the truth hurt the vendors who are using this case? No, probably not since the defamatory accusations have already been made at the hands of the person claiming the design.So when and if the truth is posted who will suffer? ...usually the one who claims foul to begin with....imho SAS could have handled this in a more reputable way instead of slinging mud and sitting back watching the commotion they created... 




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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2011 05:11 pm
   
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I personnaly didn't follow much what was the latest reactions on other forums... I get so pissed-off when I read narrow comments saying that 3T is that, 3T is this278.gif

Those guys behave as beeing born before them fathers and having more hair on the chest than a grizzly bear.
They know offcourse where is the best place to post: The forum of the braves wearing tough watches with original designsubtlelaugh.gif
Forums based on intolerance are not attractive or maybe just for a small club of frustrated crap throwers.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2011 05:29 pm
   
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 Posted: Sun Apr 10th, 2011 03:56 am
   
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Hammerfjord wrote: I personnaly didn't follow much what was the latest reactions on other forums... I get so pissed-off when I read narrow comments saying that 3T is that, 3T is this278.gif

Those guys behave as beeing born before them fathers and having more hair on the chest than a grizzly bear.
They know offcourse where is the best place to post: The forum of the braves wearing tough watches with original designsubtlelaugh.gif
Forums based on intolerance are not attractive or maybe just for a small club of frustrated crap throwers.
you said it Will!...but then these are the same guys who amuse themselves by posting pics of wrist shots on their crotches and reflections of themselves in mens room mirrors!.....No Shit...when I was told that I thought... WTF??....what self respecting WIS would want to be associated with that?dog smile.gif

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 Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2011 01:56 am
   
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hey guys,
              a brief post from me regarding the matter. Till now we have been quiet on the public domain. As some will know, we r practically new on the scene and totally clueless on whole social/online networking and PR antics. But it appears that everytime such a 'rogue' post arrears, we get a flood of email spams to our company's email, this is a hindrance to fluidity of business at the company and i thought i should say a bit of something on behalf of crux.

point form be much easier

-  company is 100% financed by a good mate of mine, a generous offer as a platform to help me turn my hobby watchmaking habit more serious. Intention was never to make fast quick bucks, but to generate revenue just so we have the opportunity to buy better/rare movements, precious metal cases, hand bands. something i love more than building watches is building as many different variety of watches as i can.

-  i do not deny the fact that Crux n SAS are using the same case. However i only knew of the similarities after i saw the SAS clock/java applet on another forum. by then ive already paid my monies for the contract to have the cases built. So i contacted the case factory and asked them if it was ok, as i then believe SAS and Crux are prob going to sell our watches around the same places. Factory said ok, no worries, so i left it as it

-  We initially released our the 1st Crux watch on another forum.  It is only after ive showed our watch to the public that SAS started to complained about the 'faulty cases'. Everything up to that date was only complimentary comments on how terrific the quality of the SAS/CRUX cases.

- SAS contaced us fuming that we should take all our watches down as it is designed by them. after a few exchanges of emails,. i told SAS that we r ready to take our watches down, if SAS went back to talk to the facotry and sort it out. If the factory agrees to buy back the cases they sold to us, we r ready to forgo the time n monies spents on the dials, dials movements and do a different watch. SAS did no comply, so we thought that was that.

- as a small startup, we do not have the funds to buy cases, movement of dials in 100s of quanity. We approached a few case dealers and was offered a few cases. SO we picked this one in paritcular, as it was a little different from the other square ( longio ), DSSD ( fullswing) cases on offer.

- not trying to defend our self here, but how is anyone able to establish the legal rights of every single piece of watch part on the global market today.  there r thousands of diff cases n parts to be configured into millions of diff watches.  I f we didnt pick this particular case and went with another, who is to say an individual wont  show himself again as the designer of the case?

- the factory owner told us that the case was designed by their in house designers with specific changes made for diff customers.

-  I do not know the intricates of happenings behind closed doors with the case factory and their clients. But if SAS is really the designer ( original ). what incentive does the case factory have to gain by doing this and ending their relationship? remember this is a new cases without proven sucess. as a business would't a company stay with the original client n mantain a healhty working r's so to sell more models together?


anyways, thats something to think about.

cheers
kenneth
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 Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2011 02:14 am
   
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Great post Kenneth.

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 Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2011 02:50 am
   
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Well said Kenneth....it is a shame that those who tell the truth are generally judged the harshest.
...out of all this unnecessary turmoil you have remained a gentlemen.
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 Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2011 04:27 pm
   
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I understand there that it's very possible that the basic case design was allready created by a designer working for this factory and then customised by SAS.
So as SAS would not apparently own the original design and by this fact, couldn't own any custom either, they just had to leave it dead on trying any complain toward the factory...
That would explain everything...The Cairelli and the Vixa cases also...
All in all, SAS made a mess for Crux but where are they now with Cairelli/Vixa?
Or maybe they just found out that they didn't own the design at all?
Maybe so.
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