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| Invicta "Scuba" 3076goes under the knife! | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13th, 2006 11:01 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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I thought that there were 3 versions of the 2824-2 1) nickle plated with Swiss and China parts assembled in Switzerland 2) gold plated all Swiss parts and assembly 3) platinum plated all Swiss parts and assembly all marked the with hallmark, lot # and all of that, I could be wrong though, of course there are lots of other options from ETA but those are the ones being discussed.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14th, 2006 01:13 pm |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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The only thing that matters is how much improvement you want over the base model movement. ETA will do just about anything you can imagine as far as brand name parts upgrades and decoration. Worrying about where the parts might come from is just a waste of space on the forums. It’s an interesting factoid but you won’t be wearing a watch at all if you think you can buy one that’s 100% Swiss. e.avery wrote: I thought that there were 3 versions of the 2824-2
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14th, 2006 02:47 pm |
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Foster 3T WIS 
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I was always under the impression that the "gold" 2824's were the lowest grade as they are actually unplated brass.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14th, 2006 04:13 pm |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS
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I would think that for durability sake they would have some kind of plating on them. Raw brass will tarnish very fast without something on it. I guess I should register with ETA so I can get access to there partner website then I would be able to find out information about the movements. I short changed you on my last post. The long answer is The Swiss have a long History of buying parts from Russia and China. Since the three countries industrialized they have been sharing either intentionally or unintentionally tooling and manufacturing technology. The idea that something is Swiss made is a myth, there are requirements as to what constitutes “Swiss Made” on the dial of a complete watch but in reality a certain percentage of the components can, are and have been produced elsewhere for a long time. Gear train parts have come from Russia, screws from China and Japan. It wasn’t until the last decade that companies like Swatch Group could even claim that they could make a watch entirely “In House” but that is another longwinded story. There are very few(if any) “Swiss Made” watches that really are entirely Swiss made. If you think you have a “Swiss Made” watch that doesn’t have any Russian or Chinese parts in it you are probably wrong and if you are shopping for a “Swiss Made” watch that is all Swiss you will go without or buy a watch that costs more than your house and still not be totally sure its 100% “Swiss Made” As long as the movement meets ETA quality standards It shouldn’t matter where the parts come from.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14th, 2006 10:25 pm |
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NANDO-FERDZ 3T WIS 
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You're the man, Chris!!!:)
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 12:41 pm |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS
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No I just got a little worked up Sunday and posted before I had my coffee! my bad!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 01:42 pm |
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peepshow 3T WIS 
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nrg wrote: Nice teardown and rebuild.:D When I opened the back of mine I was bummed to see it had the gilted (Asian) movement and that stupid plastic retainer ring. I boxed it up and shipped it back out of sheer disappointment.:( I hope you enjoy yours. The case and dial design is top notch.:) Has anyone ever gotten any confirmation of the fact that the gold movements are Asian? I have the gold movements in both my Marine Diver (labeled Swiss Mov't) and my 9937 (labeled Swiss on the dial, i.e. Swiss Made). :? N/M, I posted this before I read all of Chris' replies. Nice work, Chris! You wanna tear apart and refurb my 9937? I'll pay... Last edited on Tue Aug 15th, 2006 01:46 pm by peepshow |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 02:32 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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No ETA movement is from China period unless it is a copy. The Nickle movement has parts from China, and is the lowest line of movements. The marine diver has the Gold ETA movement and I think the case and dial are made in China as are the bracelet or strap and clasp. I personaly have not asked Ron just a guess. I find it to be a well manufactured watch, but I only have one. Here is a list of ETA manufacturing sites. They do have 2 in France though. http://www.eta.ch/ or https://secure.eta.ch/CSP/DesktopModules/ViewDoc.aspx?DocId=247&DocType=DT
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 04:04 pm |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS
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@peepshow PM me about your 9937. My Nickel plated 2824's are lableled "Swiss Made" on both the rotor and movement body while the Gold ones I have are all labeled "Swiss Made" on the rotor only. This seems to imply that the Nickel plated ones are more Swiss than the Gold ones, go figure! As far as Asia copies go Sea-Gull lists a movement that is exactly like the 28xx series movements right down to the milling marks on the movement plates. This suggests to me that Sea-Gull has the tooling and or designs for the movement and also suggests that Sea-Gull is ETA's Asia parts supplier.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 04:45 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I have known manuf. in China to copy a watter mark on a microchip years ago, and it could only be seen on a microscope. Sorry the link to ETA secure site will not work. I will see what I can do to copy the file without giving out my user name and password they frown on that given they only want ETA customer service users to have them.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 07:13 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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OldeCrow wrote: I can only disagree with one subject and that is 100% Swiss Made. There are a few Brands that won't cost an arm and a leg :P One being Jean Marcel...all of it's components ,case,dial,bracelet,movement etc. are all made and assembled in Switzerland...You also have Patek,Vacheron,etc on the Far end of the Spectrum as Chris mentions:) Popular belief would like to think eta doesn't back door movements to Asia or elsewhere that don't pass eta standards but in the Real World it Is Happening!...it's just the way Big Business Runs :dude: ETA ,Invicta anyone of these manufacturers are only going to let You know what they want you to Believe;) We as WIS and Collectors make up a small portion of the Watch Buying Population...and We don't even know as much as we think :P Anyone with knowledge can put an eta stamp on a Asian eta Copy and 9 out of 10 who would look at it wouldn't know the difference :PWhat I'm trying to say is that as long as You are happy with the Watches you purchase and enjoy wearing them then it doesn't matter What level or Price range of collecting a WIS may be at...learning as you go along and enjoying/sharing our Hobby with Friends is what's important to me as each Watch has it's own charactor ..it's just a great Hobby :) ...just my 2 cents :shock: I would think that for durability sake they would have some kind of plating on them.
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