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I am puzzled by the number of people who buy quartz watches and are willing to spend upwards of 4 figures to do so.

Can anyone explain this?

Four figures for an automatic I can see, but quartz?!!?!!?!

A quartz Gevril for $350 makes no sense to me even though it is a Gevril.

I realize it's a convenience (of a sort) to have a quartz, but, for me, a pure mechanical or an automatic are the only way to go.  I'm one with my timepiece that way.

Thanks for whatever words you may have to offer.  :)

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I recently spent almost $400 for a Quartz Seiko Prospex 300m diver (also known as the 'tuna'). I stopped buying quartz a long time ago; the battery on my Seiko quartz once ran out on me in the middle of a university exam and it made the Quartz weakenss all too evident. However, I bought the 'Tuna' becasue it has a high endurance battery, because I have about 10 automatic watches which I use, and I can keep the Quartz 'off' when i'm not using it. Most importantly, I bought the Tuna, because after looking at it for months in other forum members' pictures, or posts, I learned to like it, to the point that I wanted one. I also noticed it is highly sought after and its uniqueness makes it a classic that should retain good value if well kept - notwithstanding the fact that I would definitely use it for the purpose it was made.

Buying quartz, then, makes sense, if the watch has a certain following, if it is talked about in fora such as this, in other words by the people who might one day buy that watch from you. That said, considering that I spend at least $400 on food / groceries every month, that I don't smoke or drink much alcohol, then $400 is not all that much. Go ahead everyone, buy more wacthes, now you have the excuse. 

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try posting this in the WUS HEQ forum.....i bet u get 2000 replies justifying quartz. Theres a market for both auto n quartz i reckon. Just diff pespectives. toon1.gif

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Well, I've seen all the justifications, and although I have a few quartz (3 to be exact and 2 of those need batteries), I still cannot justify it on a high end basis.  To me..."a quartz is a quartz is a quartz!"  I don't care if it's an Omega, Movado, Rolex or SongeBob Squarepants, they all keep time within a couple of seconds a month of each other.  I could justify something like a couple $100 on a high end G-Shock if I was in need of certain esoteric features, but I am not.

The quartz movement is cheap....yeah, yeah, yeah...I've heard all the stories about metal vs plastic back plates, gold connectors, more itty-bitty synthetic rubies for the analog conversion, but, at least to me, quartz is a cheap movement lacking the craftsmanship and soul of a mechanical/automatic.  A cheap quartz movement ( you can dress it up, but you still can't take it to the dance) in a quality case, just doesn't cut it...anything over $200 to $300 without precious stones or metals, just doesn't do it for me!

Well, that's just my opinion...I could be wrong....naw...I don't think so!:D

Rant over!

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Isn't the "World Time Server" on the homepage a quartz? ThumbsUp02.gif

I collect both.  I like both.  One nice thing about my collection is I have almost all the important quartz watches (movements, not cases).  I'll never be able to do that for mechanicals :(

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     Well, for me, once I saw the smooth-as-silk gliding of the automatics or mechanicals, I couldn't take the clunk, clunk, clunk of the quartz.  I was embarrassed to wear one even though 99% of the people I know haven't a clue as to what an automatic is.

     Have to admit, too, that none of my pieces will ever be sold.  They're too much a part of my life now.  :):)

Ridiculous, I know, to be "in luv" with one's watches, but . . . :D

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I think Quartz watches suck bigtime.    NEVER, for that I'd just throw in the towel and strap a cell phone to my wrist.    The only way I'd wear a Seiko Tuna is if I threw a nice Seiko Automatic movt in it.   No quartz for me. snoopy1.gif

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Hi, only four of my collection watches are quarts.  They are all chronographs.  There many more watches out there that I would like to get yet and I just am not ready to drop the dime to get an automatic chrono.  I do find that i hardly wear my quartz.  The engineering and artistry af an automatic and especially a skeletonized movemant is hard to beat.  The watch I get the most compliments on surprisingly is my big red carbonfiber dial Akribos automatic.  When people ask to see it and they see the exhibition back they just say "COOL".  Cant get that with a quartz.  But,  In a hobbie as this you have people that like different things.  We need to be supportive of each other so the hobbie continues to grow so nobody feels snubbed.  I also collect antique tractors.  I would hope that hobbies stays as it is now.  You have the guys who really cant afford to have a top quality restoration done or even do one at all.  Then you have the ones that could spend 50 grand on a restoration and the ones in between.  I chair a tractor show here and we get over 300 tractors at our show and you can have one that was painted by a brush sitting beside one with a $5K paint job.  Thats the beauty of it.  If someone wants to get involved in a hobbie they can take it to the level their finances allow and still have fun doing it.   Does this make sense?  Scott

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scottran wrote: Hi, only four of my collection watches are quarts.  They are all chronographs.  There many more watches out there that I would like to get yet and I just am not ready to drop the dime to get an automatic chrono.  I do find that i hardly wear my quartz.  The engineering and artistry af an automatic and especially a skeletonized movemant is hard to beat.  The watch I get the most compliments on surprisingly is my big red carbonfiber dial Akribos automatic.  When people ask to see it and they see the exhibition back they just say "COOL".  Cant get that with a quartz.  But,  In a hobbie as this you have people that like different things.  We need to be supportive of each other so the hobbie continues to grow so nobody feels snubbed.  I also collect antique tractors.  I would hope that hobbies stays as it is now.  You have the guys who really cant afford to have a top quality restoration done or even do one at all.  Then you have the ones that could spend 50 grand on a restoration and the ones in between.  I chair a tractor show here and we get over 300 tractors at our show and you can have one that was painted by a brush sitting beside one with a $5K paint job.  Thats the beauty of it.  If someone wants to get involved in a hobbie they can take it to the level their finances allow and still have fun doing it.   Does this make sense?  Scott
I SNUB quartz watches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! subtlelaugh.gif  Just kidding...some look great, but my preference is the soul of mechanical!

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My (re) introduction into watches was because I was so disgusted with changing batteries in my quartz watches, and a botched battery change by a jeweler that led to one of my Zippo watches fogging up when I was at Disney a couple years ago (albeit during Hurricane Wilma, but the watch was supposed to be 50m WR). The jeweler rectified the problem when I returned, however I was determined to get away from battery changes.  A quick search on the Bay for mechanical watches turned up Russians, perfect at the time for me as I wasn't looking to spend much money since I was still collecting Zippo lighters.  Little did I realize that my $25 Vostok Komandirskie would lead to my current collection of quite a few pieces.  Because I have managed to find the majority of Zippos that I wanted for my collection, I needed a new obsession...err hobby.  This led me to the Russian forum at WUS, PMWF and eventually 3T hand6.gif

For awhile I wouldn't even consider buying a quartz watch, concentrating on affordable Russians, including my first ever jeweled mechanical chronograph (not counting my 1 jewel Endura pin lever given to my by my grandmother in the early 70's - still have it though it needs a cleaning and no watchmaker will touch it).  Reading the forums broadened my interest and I found myself going to Japanese, then Swiss watches with a quick stop over into Bulova Accutrons, a very expensive proposition for restoration though the smoothest sweep second hand next to the Seiko Spring Drive, which itself is an electronic/mechanical hybrid like the Accutron.  As I researched and studied, I realized that I really don't have anything against quartz per se, especially if I changed the batteries myself so I equipped myself with tools to do so.

Today my collection includes hand wind, automatic, tuning fork, Eco Drive and standard quartz watches.  I like and wear them all, though I tend to prefer the mechanicals. Sometimes a grab and go quartz can be just the thing when I need it.  Other reasons for quartz are features like radio controlled accuracy, and in the case of my Suunto, compass/altimeter/barometer/thermometer etc. for camping trips.  I have a Seiko Tuna as well as a few other Seiko quartz.  I also love my Eco Drives, and a Campanola is a grail of mine but there are more mechanical watches ahead of it.  I want to learn more mechanical movements so I have enrolled in the TZ level 1 course and intend on doing level 2 as well. 

Even though I prefer mechanical movements, I figure if you like it, buy it, regardless of what "makes it tick".  JM2C...

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Sometimes I wonder...

Where would we be if we had "mechanical" cell phones, mechanical iPods, or hand wound laptops?

Would you want to go back to "film" cameras?

Wait, put down your remote controls too. Let's go back to "crank" tuners (for those here that can remember having to get up to change a channel). I don't think so.

Why is it the quartz watch gets such a raw deal in technology? cat28.gif

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Quartz watches? I use to have over 20 of them. Mostly all of what I had in the 1990's, all have been sold, gifted or given away except for 3 wrist and 2 pocket watches. :D

Now days if not light powered like my G-shock or rechargable like my MTM I don't bother for I got tired of messing with batteries like many other folks. ;)

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I think theres a place for both ...... I think quartz does get a bad rap because they almost "killed" mechanical watches

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I have another answer; in fact I'm surprised nobody thought it so far. One of the big advantages of quartz is that it does not need winding. Given the much reminded congratulatory messages  of "wear in good health"; or "wear in much good health", or some such variation (the key point of this presentation being health), it is far easier to ensure that this happens with a quartz watch. An automatic, not to mention a manual, needs physical human attention, wrist shaking, twisting, enough to prompt visits from a chiropractor. This means in bad health "must not wear nice watch" . A quartz appeals to the couch potato element in all of us, it can be worn at all times without concern. Wear a quartz in good and bad health - two for the price of one.

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I really like the movement and crafstmanship of my mechanicals/autos....  but I think the whole idea of those watches having a "soul" and "becoming one" with the owner is utter nonsense.

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I remember when quartz watches were so new and had such a "Wow!" factor that.....even Patek Philippe made one! I know because I owned one. At the time, the price tag was about Cdn$5,800. and I got it as part of a settlement from the Canadian PP distributor who owed my advertising agency a lot of money for media. I eventually gave it to a friend as a going away gift. Wish I had kept it! mistake.gif

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mcwright wrote: Sometimes I wonder...

Where would we be if we had "mechanical" cell phones, mechanical iPods, or hand wound laptops?

Would you want to go back to "film" cameras?

Wait, put down your remote controls too. Let's go back to "crank" tuners (for those here that can remember having to get up to change a channel). I don't think so.

Why is it the quartz watch gets such a raw deal in technology? cat28.gif

 

1) No...because they are not possible, except for power sources.

2) No...Because film only changes the way the picture is recorded, not the external capture of the picture.  That said, I am told by professional photographers that film provides a much finer picture for printing and allows infinitely more variable in the processing of same.  For the "snapshotter", digital simply allows us to save processing time and not worry about wasting film on the gawd-awful results that we usually get!

3) If we still had only 3 channels, it would be no problem, but remote are a vast time and trouble saving device, whereas a quartz watch does nothing but allow one to be a few seconds more accurate in a world where, mostly, it does not matter.

4) Because in a world full of high end technology, one can sit back, look at his wrist, and marvel at the ingenuity and craftsmanship of man in an art that is from decades past that will live into the future.

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I buy what I like.

This includes a quartz watch every once in a while and I don't sweat the implications.

I don't think I would ever go upwards of 4 figures for a quartz watch though.


The most expensive quartz I own is a Marathon TSAR and I made the decision to go with the quartz version of that watch based on durability.  That tough and rugged watch is made even more rugged with a quartz movement.


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Alessandro wrote: I have another answer; in fact I'm surprised nobody thought it so far. One of the big advantages of quartz is that it does not need winding. Given the much reminded congratulatory messages  of "wear in good health"; or "wear in much good health", or some such variation (the key point of this presentation being health), it is far easier to ensure that this happens with a quartz watch. An automatic, not to mention a manual, needs physical human attention, wrist shaking, twisting, enough to prompt visits from a chiropractor. This means in bad health "must not wear nice watch" . A quartz appeals to the couch potato element in all of us, it can be worn at all times without concern. Wear a quartz in good and bad health - two for the price of one.

Gotta take exception to the wrist shaking comment....normal activity, even if it's just grabbing for the chips and that long-neck Bud should be enough to keep that baby wound...if not, there is something wrong with the watch.

Speaking of health, how about the adverse health situation of having your battery go dead and getting hit by a beer truck on the way to get it replaced!!!subtlelaugh.gif

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steve6387 wrote: I really like the movement and crafstmanship of my mechanicals/autos....  but I think the whole idea of those watches having a "soul" and "becoming one" with the owner is utter nonsense.
So, call me "nonsensical"....I don't recall using the term "becoming one", but to me I do use the term "soul" to describe what I feel is the spirit, history and art of the craftsmanship involved!

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I own maybe 4-5 Quartz watches that I wear periodically while im doing work for others or just around my house, I sometimes wear them to work depending on the clothing that I wear or how I feel but, like Tony said I dont think I would spend over $100 bucks for one just because of the name. Such a gorgeous picture (Displayed)

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I say the opposite... why need a watch with a cute little battery when yu have automatics with soul and a life their own available at under $100?  For me Quartz is one of those advances that really seem like a step back.  My Seiko Autos are accurate enough for me.

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KenC wrote: steve6387 wrote: I really like the movement and crafstmanship of my mechanicals/autos....  but I think the whole idea of those watches having a "soul" and "becoming one" with the owner is utter nonsense.
So, call me "nonsensical"....I don't recall using the term "becoming one", but to me I do use the term "soul" to describe what I feel is the spirit, history and art of the craftsmanship involved!



That wasn't directed specifically at you, Ken.  I've seen your posts here and on other forums and respect your contributions.  I also have a preference for the auto/mechanical movement myself.

My comment was specifically a poke in the eye to those that look down on quartz watches and people who buy them with a complete disregard for the fact that quartz is a cheaper, more accurate, and (arguably) more durable movement. 
You have to admit, Ken that there is a certain snob factor that can rear it's ugly head from time to time in these debates.  While this may not be as prevalent here, there is no shortage of it on some other forums.

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steve6387 wrote: KenC wrote: steve6387 wrote: I really like the movement and crafstmanship of my mechanicals/autos....  but I think the whole idea of those watches having a "soul" and "becoming one" with the owner is utter nonsense.
So, call me "nonsensical"....I don't recall using the term "becoming one", but to me I do use the term "soul" to describe what I feel is the spirit, history and art of the craftsmanship involved!



That wasn't directed specifically at you, Ken.  I've seen your posts here and on other forums and respect your contributions.  I also have a preference for the auto/mechanical movement myself.

My comment was specifically a poke in the eye to those that look down on quartz watches and people who buy them with a complete disregard for the fact that quartz is a cheaper, more accurate, and (arguably) more durable movement. 
You have to admit, Ken that there is a certain snob factor that can rear it's ugly head from time to time in these debates.  While this may not be as prevalent here, there is no shortage of it on some other forums.

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Steve...Don't misunderstand...I took no offense to you statement, and, I agree that quartz, in a purely digital form, can be more durable than mechanical.  I also feel that in instances, a multi-functional digital watch can provide specific detailed information that mechanical cannot....That said, I did want to define "soul" as I see it.

As to snob factor, yes, I see it all the time...not only in Mech v Quartz, but in Rolex V the World, German watches V others, Swiss v Japanese, et al.

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Wouldn't say snob appeal, more like Quartz sucks.toon1.gif

I am sorry if I offend anyone's amaizng swatch collection, it was never my intention. yourock.gif

It's not a watch, but a cell phone with really really bad reception.

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I think it's pretty ignorant to assume there are no good quality quartz watches out three.

I also think it's stupid to not get a watch you like simply because a mechanical verison is not available.

The Citizen Nighthawk comes to mind......way too cool for me not to own, and an unbelieveably well put together watch for the money.








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I think it's stupid to think it's stupid if one elects mechanical over quartz.  As far as I am concerned... quartz is not a real watch and I would cry if I got a quartz watch as a gift. I would sooner wear a mechanical timex over a "quartz" Gevril etc.

Ignorant?   no... convinced. Quartz sucks.

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Foster wrote: I think it's pretty ignorant to assume there are no good quality quartz watches out three.

I also think it's stupid to not get a watch you like simply because a mechanical verison is not available.

The Citizen Nighthawk comes to mind......way too cool for me not to own, and an unbelieveably well put together watch for the money.



I don't think that "there are not any good quality quartz watches out there", I am simply saying that, to me, I wouldn't spend high-end dollars on a quartz watch.  Additionally, I think a $2 SpongeBob Squarepants quartz watch is a accurate and high quality a quartz movement as most others, be it TAG, Movado, Omega or other.

It is not stupid of me, (BTW, thank you very much), or anyone to not get a watch I like simply because a mechanical version (meaning - it is quartz) is not available...because I can't think of any quartz watch that I like.  I can like the looks of a quartz watch dial, case, bracelet, whatever, but I do not like the watch...and that is my right as it is yours to like quartz watches.

The Citizen Nighthawk comes to your mind, because you like it.  It does not come to my mind because it is quartz...kenetic, atomic, solar, battery...I don't care...a quartz is a quartz is a quartz!

That said, I do like the Seiko SNA281 my wife gave me one year for Christmas...because I have to!:D

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KenC, you hit the nail right on the head.  There is simply nothing remotely interesting to me about a battery powered watch in a world full of sub $100 automatic options. watch2.gif

Gimme a Seiko Monster anyday with killer lume over anything, and I mean ANYTHING with a battery in it.

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I am not calling you stupid, Ken, if you don't like quartz watches, you don't like them


Personally, if I am attracted to a certain watch I am not going to let the fact that it's a quartz be the only reason that keeps me from buying it

Out of nearly 50 watches in my collection I think 4 or 5 of them are quartz watches that I felt I liked enough to own.

So be it.

I am not saying (as pretty boy up there seems to think) that quartz watches are better than mechanical, but it is silly to think that every single mechanical watch in the world is better than every single quartz watch in the world.

BUT....you know what we say around here.....TO EACH HIS OWN...eveyone has an opinion and everyone is free to buy whatever they hell watch they want.


Unless it's a Renato.



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Foster wrote: I am not calling you stupid, Ken, if you don't like quartz watches, you don't like them


Personally, if I am attracted to a certain watch I am not going to let the fact that it's a quartz be the only reason that keeps me from buying it

Out of nearly 50 watches in my collection I think 4 or 5 of them are quartz watches that I felt I liked enough to own.

So be it.

I am not saying (as pretty boy up there seems to think) that quartz watches are better than mechanical, but it is silly to think that every single mechanical watch in the world is better than every single quartz watch in the world.

BUT....you know what we say around here.....TO EACH HIS OWN...eveyone has an opinion and everyone is free to buy whatever they hell watch they want.


Unless it's a Renato.




Okay...I agree with the Renato...and BTW...I am prettier! subtlelaugh.gif

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Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!    They do suck though. toon1.gif

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Go get 'em, tiger!


To clarify further for Eric.....I have been at this a while.


I have a Monster, a Landshark, a 007, a 009, a vostok, etc, etc, etc.

I pretty much already own all of the sub $200 mechanical watches I am interested in, both new and vintage.

If I see something that I really like, I am going to buy it.  End of story.  I don't feel the presence of a few quartz watches will lessen my collection's value to me in any way.

I can still grab my Monster and wear it whenever I want!

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I can agree and disagree on many levels here as I have spent the past year concentrating on not only collecting certain watches but the engines that drive themwatch2.gifIn both Auto.Mechanical and Quartz there are movements worth owning as they play a part in Horology and for most of us the hobby is Horology...http://www.horology.com/ which as you can see by this link I use is very vast and covers more than just buying watcheshand6.gif

     As there are hords of auto/mechanical movements that molded the watch industry in the very earliest stages there are also quartz...The Swiss did invent the quartz watch regardless of some WIS' beliefs and back in 1969 displayed this new movement unprotected in the Worlds Fair at which Texas Instrumemnts and Casio along with Seiko snatched up and thus the Quartz revolution began!coyote2.gif...I was amazed at the new technology and how thin a watch could be made as I am sure many of us were,but as I have grown in the hobby it has led me to mechanical movements like the Peseuax 7040 I just picked up sizing in at a mere 3mm thick!!..there are many quartz watches in my collection that are imho amazing in there own right and the Swiss once again took them to a new height with gilded jeweled quartz movements,chronograph movement and now triple retrogrades which allow many WIS to enjoy these complications as well as 100's we could mention at a fraction of the cost than a auto or mechanical version ...I enjoy these watches for what they are as well as the asthetic attraction and enjoyment they give mewoohoo.gif

   My preference is Swiss/German/Asian auto's and mechanicals but I don't hesitate buying a quartz based on what powers it and again just pure gotta have a fix or a deal I can't pass up...same go's for mechanicals...the hunt and the deal drive me and I am happiest when a watch comes to me I have been wanting! 

   There is room for both mechanical and quartz collectors in my WIS world as it's all about watches isn't it?...I would hope so as we can all learn from each other as we have from this thread To each his own ...let's share our knowledge as we always have on this forum as well as our likes and dislikes in a way respectful to all cause' a forum would be pretty dull imho opinion if we were all on the same page..... or in this case Wrist!  just my 2 cents:D

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I wish I did not have issues when it comes to quartz....but they are deep rooted ;-)
At the end of the day, we are all watch-nuts. And damn it... it feels good. smile8.gif

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tny795 wrote:      Well, for me, once I saw the smooth-as-silk gliding of the automatics or mechanicals, I couldn't take the clunk, clunk, clunk of the quartz.  ...
Look closely and you will see 'smooth-as-silk', on a 28,000 BPH watch (most mechanicals), is acutally 8 discreet twitches of the second hand per second.  (You can actually see this if your eyes are good enough.) Only tuning fork watches are 'smooth-as-silk', at least to the human eye. (They have about 100 twitches per second.) 


But Aardvarks have such visual acquity that it is believed they can see the twitches on Omega f300s.

(I wonder if Aardvarks could collect watches what would they like??)happy1.gif

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Eeeb wrote:

Eeeb I have no idea what kind of auto watches you are looking at but all my higher end auto/mechanicals COSC,Lemania's are smoother than any of my high end quartz(Breitling.Rolex) including the electronics and tuning fork watches I ownwatch2.gifThere was a new eta quartz to be released in 2007 but since halted that had an extra gear and 60 extra teeth that touted to be as close as a high end mechanical in the smooth sweep category but even eta said as close not smoother :D

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     Well, for me, once I saw the smooth-as-silk gliding of the automatics or mechanicals, I couldn't take the clunk, clunk, clunk of the quartz.  ...
Look closely and you will see 'smooth-as-silk', on a 28,000 BPH watch (most mechanicals), is acutally 8 discreet twitches of the second hand per second.  (You can actually see this if your eyes are good enough.) Only tuning fork watches are 'smooth-as-silk', at least to the human eye. (They have about 100 twitches per second.) 


But Aardvarks have such visual acquity that it is believed they can see the twitches on Omega f300s.

(I wonder if Aardvarks could collect watches what would they like??)happy1.gif


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Hmmmmm


Should we bring Spring Drive watches into the conversation?
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EricAldovino wrote: I am sorry if I offend anyone's amaizng swatch collection, it was never my intention. yourock.gif



 

I'd like to politely point out that Swatch makes automatics, I bought my wife 3  of them. They're kind of fun.  I think the original issue was the cost of quartz and why pay an exhorbitant price for it.  I'm confused by it as well when we all know what they cost to make.  Conversely we can say the same for automatics can't we.  Why pay for the name Rolex when we can get a Marathon or Orsa that's just as bulletproof. Which seques into Status as we've mentioned before.  I'm sure we can all appreciate a well laid out watch that looks good no matter what the engine is inside.  And we all know roughly what the cost of materials is as well so why do we pay so much for watches at all??  Fortunatly there are more smaller companies now making excellent watches of both varieties that we can all have a spectacular collection for ourselves.  I hope the Swiss pay attention to where our hard earned money is going and take note.  Amazing and Grail-like they may be I'm going to leave the big names to the status seekers because I've got lots to acquire and catch up on in the affordable range (and it's a big range).

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Absolutely Foster!:D....your wealth of knowledge when it comes to movements and identifying them has always peaked my interest Buddy...please share yourock.gif
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Should we bring Spring Drive watches into the conversation?
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Well, I'm mostly interested in what guys like Ken and Eric think of them.

I know Ken is a big Seiko fan, but does the electronic regulation of the Spring Drive make it less attractive?

These movements are beautifully made and mostly mechanical, but they use a quartz crystal to regulate the energy stored in the mainspring.

Does that rob them of their soul?

(they have some seriously smooth sweeping second hands too)




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Interesting you should bring up the Spring Drive I was thinking about them and looked this up. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_KkmwapoG0

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 Awesome Foster and I agree that it is a marvel in the watch world today and would love to get one this year!watch2.gifMy Buddy has one he brought back from Japan and the sweep is barely noticeable!hand6.gif
Well, I'm mostly interested in what guys like Ken and Eric think of them.

I know Ken is a big Seiko fan, but does the electronic regulation of the Spring Drive make it less attractive?

These movements are beautifully made and mostly mechanical, but they use a quartz crystal to regulate the energy stored in the mainspring.

Does that rob them of their soul?

(they have some seriously smooth sweeping second hands too)





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Very cool video!

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I agree with the price issue of quartz.  But, like they say, buy what you like.  Collect what you have a passion for.  I do have to say though, due to this discussion, I will probably think twice about posting pics of a quartz watch that I may buy in the future.  Scott

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I wonder if Aardvarks could collect watches what would they like??)

 

They would wonder if humans collected watches and what they would like

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Skipdawg wrote: Interesting you should bring up the Spring Drive I was thinking about them and looked this up. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_KkmwapoG0

Great video Skip  I learned a thing or two and that movement looks really neat.

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Foster wrote: Well, I'm mostly interested in what guys like Ken and Eric think of them.

I know Ken is a big Seiko fan, but does the electronic regulation of the Spring Drive make it less attractive?

These movements are beautifully made and mostly mechanical, but they use a quartz crystal to regulate the energy stored in the mainspring.

Does that rob them of their soul?

(they have some seriously smooth sweeping second hands too)






Absolutely not...the Seiko Spring drive has nothing to do with the majesty and craftsmanship of the movement itself.  It is still a mechanical movement with hi-tech enhancement mechanism that simply assists in the release of the mechanical movement's main-spring.  It just so happens to be quartz driven.

Bottom line, the Seiko Spring Drive is a mechanical movement that is as accurate as a quartz movement.  To think differently would be akin to stating that todays cars are powered by computers when, in fact, the computer is there simply to, among other things, regulate the input and mixture of fuel and air to make the engine run more efficiently.  To refer to the Spring Drive as a quartz movement (which I have seen some do) is pure ignorance (well, in some cases, it's just sheer stupidity!) yourock.gif

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Upside wrote: EricAldovino wrote: I am sorry if I offend anyone's amaizng swatch collection, it was never my intention. yourock.gif



 

I'd like to politely point out that Swatch makes automatics, I bought my wife 3  of them. They're kind of fun.  I think the original issue was the cost of quartz and why pay an exhorbitant price for it.  I'm confused by it as well when we all know what they cost to make.  Conversely we can say the same for automatics can't we.  Why pay for the name Rolex when we can get a Marathon or Orsa that's just as bulletproof. Which seques into Status as we've mentioned before.  I'm sure we can all appreciate a well laid out watch that looks good no matter what the engine is inside.  And we all know roughly what the cost of materials is as well so why do we pay so much for watches at all??  Fortunatly there are more smaller companies now making excellent watches of both varieties that we can all have a spectacular collection for ourselves.  I hope the Swiss pay attention to where our hard earned money is going and take note.  Amazing and Grail-like they may be I'm going to leave the big names to the status seekers because I've got lots to acquire and catch up on in the affordable range (and it's a big range).

SWATCH, in fact, saved the Swiss watch industry from annihilation!  Once a White Knight, they are now, of course, the Dark Prince for wanting to maintain control over their own movements!

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scottran wrote: I agree with the price issue of quartz.  But, like they say, buy what you like.  Collect what you have a passion for.  I do have to say though, due to this discussion, I will probably think twice about posting pics of a quartz watch that I may buy in the future.  Scott

Scott...there are many here who own and love quartz watches. Never hesitate to post them. I occasionally, post my Seiko SNA281.



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"Quartz is the most common mineral on the face of the Earth. It is found in nearly every geological environment and is at least a component of almost every rock type. It frequently is the primary mineral, >98%. It is also the most varied in terms of varieties, colors and forms. This variety comes about because of the abundance and widespread distribution of quartz."

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For me, it's all about the old world charm when it comes to watches. Mechanical watches are a marvel to me. Gears, springs etc and they work!  The quartz aspect just ruins it for me.  With the advent of cellphones etc We don't really require wrist watches anymore, so if I am going to wer a watch, it's gotta have some old school charm.  Mechanical watches seem to capture that sentiment for me.  Spring Drive is sick!

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I'd like to chime in without rattleing anybody, I hope,..being the new guy and all:).

I own both quartz and automatic and I much prefer mechanical, I like the craftsmanship involved and the idea to pass it along because it can be repaired and tuned up, the quality mechanicals  are keepsakes. With that said, I appreciate quartz as well for their grab and go convenience and accuracy. I probably wouldn't spend more than $300.00 on a quartz, but I do own one that was much more than that. Now, to play devils advocate for a moment...why dis the technology of a quartz watch. It's a bit like tube stereo amplifiers and integrated circuit recievers we have now. The tubes were cool, but look at the features, convenience, performance and value the modern amps offer. Electronics incorporated in products will never have the romantic appeal that something mechanical offers, that's why I like mechanical.

Scary when we will all have to give up the internal combustion engine for a boatload of Delco 12volts in the trunk...I may never recover!:shock:

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I dislike this kind of thread because it divides the community and brings out the worst in watch collectors. There is room for collectors who love quartz and/or automatics. Why is it useful to argue that one is better than another? Buy what you enjoy and lets all celebrate.

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Who's arguing?????  :?

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tny795 wrote: Who's arguing?????  :?
I'd argue that this pink pirate watch wouldn't look good on either you or me!subtlelaugh.gif


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OMG!  horrible, horrible.........take it away!  :D

No one, but no one would buy it........right? geez, I hope not  :?.   

 

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I'd argue that this pink pirate watch wouldn't look good on either you or me!subtlelaugh.gif



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jsb806f wrote: I dislike this kind of thread because it divides the community and brings out the worst in watch collectors. There is room for collectors who love quartz and/or automatics. Why is it useful to argue that one is better than another? Buy what you enjoy and lets all celebrate.

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I don't think there is any arguing going on...simply "pro's & con's" and a lot of good humor!!!  Hey, didn't that used to be an ice cream bar!

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Now not so fast here! The pink pirate watch sports some qualities I find enjoyable. The classic military shape, the nicely proportioned band, the larger crown found on todays field style pieces. This Wenger here supoorts my case.


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Norman wrote: Now not so fast here! The pink pirate watch sports some qualities I find enjoyable. The classic military shape, the nicely proportioned band, the larger crown found on todays field style pieces. This Wenger here supoorts my case.




And let's not forget the familiar Bandido Charlie Skull & Crossed Sabers!


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It's  PINK, neon pink, at that......(shudder)  Those are probably CZ's, too.  I don't care for bling, real or fake.

Ahhh, the Bandido Charlie's.....snoopy1.gif I've got nothing against skulls and crossed sabers.  Far from it.

The Wenger is a cool-looking watch, but for myself--I luv to wind a crown.    hearteyes.gif

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Norman wrote: Now not so fast here! The pink pirate watch sports some qualities I find enjoyable. The classic military shape, the nicely proportioned band, the larger crown found on todays field style pieces. This Wenger here supoorts my case.




And let's not forget the familiar Bandido Charlie Skull & Crossed Sabers!



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That is one of the most god-awful tasteless watches I have ever seen.  It will probably be featured on the watch show tonight on ShopNBC.subtlelaugh.gif

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I recall when the push on these first went out and the prices were not bad. I so wish I had bought one even though it's a quartz :shock: :)

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I like radio controlled quartz watches.  To me, there is something interesting about the watch receiving the signal each night and being perfectly accurate all of the time.  My daily beater is a Junghans RC quartz watch. 


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