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newguyoz 3T WIS
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I know there would be a few guys here that have them. Can you reccomend me a good one that is less than $300?? I know the IW ones are very good but the budget doesnt stretch to one of those at the moment. :) Thanks!! Last edited on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 11:05 pm by newguyoz |
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slinky469 3T WIS 
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Yea there are a few out there like Marina Militare they go anywhere from $110 and up. here is an example(it has already sold): http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=139587 |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Your best bet for a sub $300 Pam look a like would be some of these. Marina Militare, Marine Diver, Military Mark V, Alpha 1993, and even try Pam homage. You can use your search engine or the search feature on forums and see if anything comes up available. I see them all the time. Best of luck in your quest. ;) |
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Nabco 3T WIS 
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While we are on this subject I will be seeing our friend Ron from IW this weekend, if anyone wants anything from him watches, straps, etc. let me know and I will be happy to pick them up for you, just cover the shipping and PayPal fees (if you choose to reimburse me that way). If you want watches check out the his website and let me know by Tuesday night so I can let him know what to bring. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Nabco wrote: are you offerring discounts cause' otherwise why not buy from IWI direct and save the paypal fees :D While we are on this subject I will be seeing our friend Ron from IW this weekend, if anyone wants anything from him watches, straps, etc. let me know and I will be happy to pick them up for you, just cover the shipping and PayPal fees (if you choose to reimburse me that way). If you want watches check out the his website and let me know by Tuesday night so I can let him know what to bring. |
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hucky 3T WIS 
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Id like some stuff, but hes hard to deal with and pricing is so hard to understand Why cant it be easy? |
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old skool Guest
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I've spent A LOT of time looking over the options and reading reviews. If you have questions let me know. Right now, for my money, the best and most affordable option is a custom from Davidsen. Davidesenjpn@yahoo.com http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff85/james123chen/ Here are my two:      He is located in Hong Kong. He has limited payment options. I went with Western Union. Mine both cost $360 ea. Came with sapphire + ar crystal, display back, base ETA 6497, SS case, tight crown guard lever and crown guard, thick crown, tall cannon pinion, sumperluminova, WR30m, two "throwaway" factory straps, a so so buckle. Great customer service, fast assembly and fast shipment. Plus many custom options. I have plans for a 45mm rad vintage like a Kampfschwimmer with a tobacco dial, gold hands and thick plexi crystal. A 1950 is also on the radar at some point. |
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JCKoLnturn 3T WIS 
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I bought a great one from E-bay. Much better than most of the Marina Militaire knock-offs out there. Here's a link: http://cgi.ebay.com/UNITAS-ETA-6497-WATCH-STEEL-44mm-SWISS-MOVEMENT_W0QQitemZ350047839385QQihZ022QQcategoryZ31387QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262 I was really impressed with the one I ordered. It was comletely sterile too. I don't know what I did with my personal photos but I'll post a new one up later. |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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hmmmmm .... tempting .... but is it ethical ????????? |
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old skool Guest
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JCKoLnturn wrote: I bought a great one from E-bay. Much better than most of the Marina Militaire knock-offs out there. That seller is good. Just to warn you, I have heard that the lume can be a little on the weak side (not terrible, but not excellent.). Also, I do not believe they have any water resistence rating. However, I know you can get it pressure tested if you are worried about that. If the lume bugs you, I know someone who relumes those. All in all, a good choice. Enjoy the watch and definitely give us your review of it. |
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KenC Admin 
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canadajo wrote: hmmmmm .... tempting .... but is it ethical ????????? cj...unless you see something I don't, it is not a replica, it is an homage. I see nothing on it that states Panerai...yes, it is an "homage" as are many watches...like the ZENO Explorer, the Seiko "Day/Date", etc. So, I don't see anything not ethical about it unless one also eschews homages...but then, how many watches other than ORSA, ENZO (and a very few others) do you see out here that don't "borrow" designs from other watches (I give you Ocean7!!!;)) Also...I'm with Oscar here. If we buy direct from IWI we don't incur paypal fees or have to deal with a middle man on a problem...perhaps there is some point I'm missing!:? |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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I agree with you Ken ..... I bought a marina military from IWI .... and I thought also that if it doesnt have the name on it that its okay ..... If it said Panarai that would make a huge difference...... |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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I look at it like this. A homage to another watch is a bow of respect stating I love the design but can't afford the real deal. The watchmakers know the high end stuff is not for just anyone. But a replica is a slap in the face to the real deal. A total disrespect to the true watch and designer. And I have no respect for those who make them or support them. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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I think we talked about this before, but to me it looks too much like a replica. I understand that some makers borrow designs from others, but they are legit companies that put their name on it, and have to deal with copyright issues. These watches look exactly like a Panerai, but just don't have the name on it. Also, a lot of the same guys who make these watches, also make watches with "Panerai" and "Rolex" on them. |
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old skool Guest
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I always hate these homage versus fake threads. I don't think thread is the correct place for such a discussion. They never end well. Ultimately, to each his/her own as long as you aren't breaking any laws. There is a big differenc between buying a rep from the same mass production company who makes fakes, and then putting your name on it. Though some would consider this legitimate, I would much prefer a custom built watch to my specs with attention to detail, overall quality for a reasonable price. The guy I buy from has his own parts custom made to his specifications and builds them to order. I am very happy with the overall experience. On the other hand, there are plenty of Ebay Germasian watches with the same poor quality Chinese movement that is supposed to look like a chronograph or a tourbillon, with inflated retail prices and essentially fabricated company histories. But again, each person will like what they like at the price point that they can afford or justify. There is no reason to judge others who love watches. Just my opinion though. There are plenty of threads on Paneristi forums of members building or paying to have built custom Panerai homage watches. Also in my mind those companies who take the same watch and print a name on the dial doesn't make them better. I could print out a label with my own custom branding on any of my watches and that wouldn't change a thing about the watch in my mind. In fact, I think it would clutter up the dial. I personally prefer the completely sterile look of the dials. |
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murphy j 3T WIS 
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old skool wrote: I always hate these homage versus fake threads. I don't think thread is the correct place for such a discussion. They never end well. Well stated. |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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1st of all i like to congratulate oldskool with his new purchase particularly the white dial, u dont see it that often. Wear it well mate. smile8.gifsmile8.gif. However i cant say i share his enthusiam regarding purchases from Davidsen or any other replica makers. A large chunk of their revenue is tru replicating watches, imo having the brand name on the watch crosses the rep v homage line. Theres a reason why davidsen cant get a paypal account , he even has a blog discussing about all the diff pam replica hes releasing. :(:( Having his own signature replica watch parts doesnt elevate his credibility amongst the various larger mass produced replica manufactuers. Places like timefactors, IWI, RXW etc2 who make good quality homages, im totally cool with that. woohoo.gifwoohoo.gif just my 2c chris |
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old skool Guest
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Interesting point. Well, I don't think I will get into it much more than this: most of the inexpensive, but rebranded watches are likely just based on cheaper fake watches. They don't seem like a great investment for me over a slightly more expensive but much higher quality watch. (with better customer service and better name recognition. lol) Some of the companies that do a lot of branding on their Panhoms, have poor customer service and poor overall quality for the price. There are only a couple companies producing a very high quality homage watch. These are essentially just copies though with little to no branding on them at a higher price. Far be it from me to know everything or make moral judgements on the minor differences. I just see it as such a grey area, so I follow my own insticts and let others do as they please. ...but thanks for the info. Seriously. Last edited on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 07:09 pm by |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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After seeing that white I bet it would look great with a antique white or Ivory/cream color too. ;) |
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old skool Guest
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I'm thinking pale cream croc with either white or black stitching. Or perhaps stitchless... with a nice deployant or one of my SC buckles. |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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yea, it look good with one of your very nice red12 straps. hand6.gifhand6.gif btw i hope u dont see my previous post as too provocative. Just diff strokes for diff folks. :):) chris |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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the only difference between the guys who build their own from the ones who buy them already made with whatever dial on them is just that....they put their own together ....using the same parts from the same replica supplying manufacturers.....it is legal however to sell one with a no name dial though ,but the parts all come from the same place:P in the lower end homages especially Panerai you can find the same quality in one of these for $124. as you will find in any of the others with exception of some custom made ie;Precista,Dievas,IWI etc. as these do have genuine Unitas movements and cost accordingly.....pick up one of these and then buy a plain dial and you saved yourself some $$$hand6.gif http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150235661154&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005 |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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A couple new ones picked up yesterday....screw down crown, decorated Unitas 6497 movements... Attachment: IMG_9003.JPG (Downloaded 200 times) |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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Here's a pick of the movement, same in both watches... Attachment: IMG_9022.JPG (Downloaded 201 times) |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Very nice Nick. I assume you got them from your pal you were seeing this weekend. :D They look great. What are the specs on those? Sapphire crystals? Lug width? Thanks for any info and again, these are a nice set to have! |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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You are correct Pax, that's where I got them...here are some specs.. 44mm Screw Down Crowns Sapphire front and back Also have the higher end polished and stroped 6497 movements Right now they have 26mm straps on them, you can put a 24mm on and it would show more of the wire lug...26mm is max |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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Striped, not stroped movements Nabco wrote: You are correct Pax, that's where I got them...here are some specs.. |
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Seikopath 3T WIS 
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You've got to be careful on eBay and look at the pics CLOSELY! I've noticed a few sellers that PHOTOSHOP a BOGUS name brand OVER "Panerai" and usually say, "Real, you'll be SURPRISED, etc" in the description. Some to look out for are "DCSMITHSONIAN" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300236574638 UFANTA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160255027057 TORINO http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=270250450655 I emailed one of these guys and asked what it really says, and they told me it indeed says, "PANERAI" Blatent fakes, posing as homages! Buyer Beware and Pay close attention to the pics! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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True indeed. I got one from ufanta. Marked Panerai right down to the strap. What a surprise!face4.gif |
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