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| Hommage vs. Panerai | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:20 pm |
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SHADY 3T WIS 
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Panerai vs. the Hommages...I am seeing all these hommages coming in and wondering why buy the real thing? I know a lot of watches are hommages to the Submariner and a lot of knockoffs of the Submariner can be had. This is the Invicta mentality of copies vs the real McCoy. I have a hommage that OldeCrow built and I have the Real McCoy.....??? Are we wasting our money on the High end brands? What are your thoughts??
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:24 pm |
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hucky 3T WIS 
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We all have to be true to ourselves, so if one can live with a knockoff (ego) than thats the route to take. Its a common thought you just had, when dumping money on a Panerai, been there done that. I like the real deal myself, I cant get past my EGO  and Im man enough to admit it.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:34 pm |
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KenC Admin 
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Ah...the eternal enigma. My answer is yes and no...hehehehehe....I like the Panari, but not enough to spend those bucks on one...so I got the the Marine Diver (Asian case/ETA2824-2). I loved the Rolex GMT Master II with proprietary movement...and I liked it well enough to spend the bucks for it. I had an 18k Rolex Day/Date Presidential (I since gave it to my son-in-law)...I did not like it that much (very gaudy), but, it was worth the money because when I was in high-end communications sales, it was an entry ticket to the decision maker's office (yes, South Florida...how did you guess)...it sort of went with the Mercedes. The price paid was worth the investment in additional income! Hey...it's kind of a crap shoot. These days, I like the VIXA, ORSA, ORIS, Blanchett lines and the under $1,000 watches. For the most part, the quality is equal to the mid-high end...and they are a lot more fun! ........and there you have it...my 2 cents...cat28.gif
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:53 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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A question we all likely juggle with from time to time. I have some real deal middle upper end watches, some look a likes and some low end budget watches. And like them all. When I need a beater I have a few to put on and when the Ego is driving I have some to wear there too. No Uber grails yet but maybe some day. I say go with the Homage when just kicking about and when your out for a special occasion or the like then wear the real deal. But when it comes down to it to each their own. ;)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 08:53 pm |
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AntFarm 3T WIS 
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Interesting question because I was just thinking something very similar. I have a Rolex date-just and I like it just fine, however I fine myself wearing watches that cost a 10th of the price of it and they seem to do the job just as well. Now it could be a phase I'm going through where I just don't want to wear it, however, I did the last two days just to give it some wrist time, but once I got home I immediately switched to my Sea Angler or my Sea Shark. Now here is my question... Is it mostly just good marketing that drives the price on these big name watches or is it something else, because I find some of these boutique watches are of as good or they seem to be better quality then some of these high end watches. I realize, as Ken stated above, that Rolex is the golden ticket that everybody knows, but some of the others are not as fimiliar to the masses. just my $0.02
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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DannyOcean 3T WIS 
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SHADY wrote: Panerai vs. the Hommages...I am seeing all these hommages coming in and wondering why buy the real thing?I was wondering the same thing myself. Given that some hommages are taking an expert watchmaker to tell the difference and they can keep time as well or better than a real true to life example, materials are almost the exact same if not exact, then why the exorbident price. Granted, I own a Date-Just like Antfarm and maybe it was the two hommages that I owned before that, that perked my intrest in owning a legit but if the quality I've seen in say a Debaufre, or my new Bernarus is on par with if not better than a more expensive well known brand, is it really a better time piece? And sure, I understand quality and brand name but if the same materials are used and the same end product is produced by hand assembled such pieces, am I getting a good product if I purchase a quality (and I mean, quality) hommage, or spending more and getting the real deal? Maybe I answered my own question but in reality, items can be produced in various parts of the world with the same high quality as anywhere else, if one were apt to do so. Example: My wife has bought MANY purses and handbags from offical dealers in such items. She also once purchased a purse when we were on a cruise that was an obvious replica due to the price but in retrospect has looked exact, lasted longer and worn better than many much more expensive items. I realize the apples to oranges thing but its on the same level.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 07:07 am |
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Zarith 3T WIS 
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DannyOcean wrote: SHADY wrote:Panerai vs. the Hommages...I am seeing all these hommages coming in and wondering why buy the real thing?I was wondering the same thing myself. Given that some hommages are taking an expert watchmaker to tell the difference and they can keep time as well or better than a real true to life example, materials are almost the exact same if not exact, then why the exorbident price. That's not true Danny. You don't have to be an expert to see the difference between a Panerai and a replica/homage! The crafmanship of a real Luminor 1950 is exceptional. You can feel the hours of work. The case finish is flawless and the whole watch seems indestructible. It's a tool for a lifetime, that will most likely be in perfect shape in 50 years. The in-house P.2004 movement itself is a work of art, and a major technical achievement (8 days power reserve, anti-shock system, second reset, etc...).  Comparing this movement with an off-the-shelf $100 ETA 2824 is like comparing a Suzuki with a Ferrari. There's a HUGE difference. The price is justified in my opinion (developing in house movements cost millions).
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 07:47 am |
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romano 3T WIS 
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The crarftsmanship and design of the real thing is undeniably better and costly. That being said the market price for most real thing watches has very little to do with the development costs and a lot to do with how much is spent on marketing and advertising. Thos F1 cars don't carry company badges for free nor do the drivers wrists suddenly spring watches at post race interviews because the watch is finely crafted and designed. That rolex clock seen by millions around the world at Wimbledon isn't there because Rolexes tell time well. If they spent less on marketing they could sell the same quality watch for a lot less, say $3000 instead of $6000 but then the status symbol folks wouldn't want it just some engineering afficianados.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 07:53 am |
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DannyOcean 3T WIS
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I guess I should have been more specific but you are correct when it comes to the Panerai movement, definetly a huge difference and anyone half educated about the watch could tell the difference when the case back is removed. I've just been reading some articles recently on how some "Hommages" are really starting become nice descent watches on their own, with fit and finish, etc. Of course there will still be a lot of junk out there but there are a few where some actual craftsmanship has gone into them. I know its by no means the same and a true Panerai will last a very long time just like my Rolex will.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 08:53 am |
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KenC Admin
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Yes...and no. Many of Panerai's movements are not proprietary. Many of the movements in many of the mid level luxury brands are not proprietary. Most are simply decorated off the shelf movements or slightly reworked movements that are now designated as a brand's "caliber". But here is the bottom line...most of the cost of the market price of a watch is simply this: "WHATEVER THE MARKET WILL BEAR!" The company's cost basis and profit may be determined by development and production costs plus the costs of promotion, distribution administration, warranty rate, salaries, etc....but the price anything sells for is as above...whether it be above or below the actual cost of the item.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 08:55 am |
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Smith357 3T WIS 
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SHADY wrote: Panerai vs. the Hommages...I am seeing all these hommages coming in and wondering why buy the real thing? I don't pretend to speak for others, but for me I would rather have the real thing than a clone. I just traded off a very nice Rolex clone, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the watch and the only bad thing I can say about it is that it looked just like a Rolex. I have said for years before I was into watches, "If I want a bike that looks like a Harley, I'll just get a Harley." I guess for me that saying applies to watches as well.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 09:01 am |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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To answer Shady's query succinctly: No, we are not wasting our money on high end brands. Quite simply put I own an Rolex GMT Master II and it is by far the finest watch in my collection. Fit and finish are beyond reproach. The movement is unique and functions unlike any other I own. Was it overprice? In my mind's eye no. Would a DeBaufre Ocean GMT look like it? Well, yes, but in no way does an ETA 2893 match the Rolex 3185 for functionality. I also wanted in the 16710 world before it went bye bye... As for the Panny homages... all the ones I own are inexpensive (cheap) third world products. They look good at a glance but in reality the crystals are shit, lume sucks and they generally wouldn't fool any WIS. Now can a nice homage be had? Well of course. Shady's OC homage is a fine example along with the others making "high end" homages (JOA, Davidsen). However, these in no way match the inherent quality in the Panerai line. I wanna get in a Panny... and why? Each element of the watch is of super quality. I have held and come close to buying but no now is not the time. Every Panny I have seen and touched has impressed me across the board. Overprice? May be yeah, but imho worth every penny for the real deal. Having lathered on and on, I'll also add the WIS world for me is not all ego and prestige. I have watches in my collection from the Rolex to Invicta and I wear them all. Variety is the name of the game, and if I like the way something looks and functions then it goes on the wrist. I get just as much notice from a "cheap" watch as from the Rolex and no one asks if it's real. I kid you not, every time I wear my Magico Square, I get 3 or 4 compliments on it and questions. Beyond that, i enjoy wearing something different. This is supposed to be fun and not about ego plays.
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